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| Author | Further clarification on 3.13.6 (what additional char are allowed to buy) |
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I asked here https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=2558441 a clarification on rule 3.13.6, concerning what additional characters could buy/sell.
I realize now that the "[list of items]" that can be bought by additional characters is slightly different from the special rules for selling items.
In particular for equippable items, since the rule mentions only rare SETS, I see that is open for additional characters the possibility to buy special equippable items that do not belong to any sets, e.g.:
- cave crystals (or other items that are equipped on backpack)
- lumberjack axe
- ...
Now the tricky part, which is open to interpretation and imho the wording should be changed to clarify it: it says "RARE SETS"... which sets are "rare"?
Hypothesis A)
It is specified in the item description, "part of ABC set" or "one of the X rare trophy artifact of the ABC set".
In this hypothesis the additional character cannot buy any "faction" set, nor the amphibian and the pirate sets, while he can purchase parts at any level of the hunter, thief, ranger, tactician, recruiter sets, and, surprisingly, parts of the temporal and the survilung sets
Hypothesis B)
It follows the specification given later in 3.13.6, concerning however how to sell items, "artifact not listed in the shop and not obtainable in hunt".
In this case only parts of the hunter sets (at any level) can be bought by the secondary characters.
Imho (A) is the formally correct answer, maybe somebody that reads Russian can cross-check the exact wording in the original version. | for pippo2:
Click on the rare set link under that rule: It leads here;
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=40
Additional characters cannot buy any of the items from that page EXCEPT for the hunter set items.
I see that is open for additional characters the possibility to buy special equippable items that do not belong to any sets, e.g.:
These fall under the rare items. As they are not available in the shop or through hunts. They cannot be purchased off the market as the only acceptable way to trade them is to SELL them through the 3 day auction, 1 gold minimum, no buyout. They can only be sold. (i.e. earned from events and sold). They cannot be purchased and then sold. | Hi Corey,
thanks for your answer. Still the whole matter is really confusing.
I read once more the link about the sets (which was my reference in my question) and I cannot find any distinction between "rare" and "not rare" sets. There are no special indications neither in the generic description of the set nor in the description of the single items. The only possible indication are on the sets parts called "rare trophy artifact", which has some degree of arbitrariness, as mentioned in the hypothesis A.
Rule 3.13.6 is made of two parts. The first paragraph states what additional characters are forbidden to buy. The rest gives prescriptions on what and how additional characters can sell.
It seems to me that it is common use to extend the rules enlisted in the second part also to the first paragraph, somehow overwriting it. Maybe the source of ambiguity is the last paragraph "Such an auction is the only acceptable way for additional characters to TRADE any of the above listed items": the verb "trade" includes in its meaning also buying, acting as correction to the statement in the first paragraph "... are not allowed to purchase insignia, rare set artifacts...".
Nevertheless, despite a better wording could eliminate the ambiguity (maybe in Russian it is more obvious), sometimes common use becomes de facto the rule. Can also other experienced players confirm this interpretation?
Thanks | | I can confirm that Corey knows what he s talking about. | For pippo2:
Trust Corey about that. The best policy in the game is to take the most conservative interpretation. Why get you character fined or blocked for something like that.
This is why in comparison to other games, the rules are enforced without hesitation.
Enjoy the game.
Heroman | for pippo2:
I think you are overthinking it too much.
Rule 3.13.6 is made of two parts.
Two parts that relate directly to each other. They are not two seperate rules. The definition for rare arts is written there rare artifacts (artifacts not listed in the shop and not obtainable in hunt) and applies to both parts of the rule.
Nevertheless, despite a better wording could eliminate the ambiguity
I agree with you here. I will see what we can do with regards to improving the wording. It is difficult because they have tried to translate the rule directly from the Russian server so that there are no differences in the rule. Any changes to the way the rule is written here will affect how the rule is written on .RU.
The best policy in the game is to take the most conservative interpretation.
I agree fully with this statement. Players have tried to interpret the rules alternatively in the past and been penalised for it. Best to err on the side of caution. | for Corey:
Whats about aniversary gifts? | for Corey:
What about removed shop artifact? | | [Post deleted by moderator Corey // Changed my mind; see revised post #10] | for plant C4:
Is it listed in the shop? No. Is it obtainable in hunt? No. Therefore; by the definition of the rule;
Anniversary gifts are rare arts.
What about removed shop artifact?
For example, Cape of Flame? If it is not in the artifact store now, it is considered a rare art. Cape of Flame hasn't been available in there since about 2009. | Hi Corey & others,
thanks for the extra explanation.
This reply to my question. (I do not close the thread in case somebody else has something to add, but I got my reply) |
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