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| In the case of a transfer whose compensation has not been established in any way, am I expected to give a compensation when it is requested by the player which did the transfer? Is there any limit of time,... during which such compensation can be asked for? Since loans have a time limit of 1 month I would expect that past one month if no request is sent then nothing is due to the sender. However the game rules also state that gifts should be designated as such, so past one month it can be neither a gift nor a loan...? Am I misinterpreting this? Is there a rule covering that kind of situations? |
So I've got this right,
Is this person A purchasing an art from person B and a given price (market lot) then later one person asking the other for rollback/ extra gold?
If so, you're not required by rules to give the gold since it was mentioned after |
No, I'm thinking of leasing specifically. People send artifacts for nothing, then they ask for payment, I pay and the clan pays me. That's when it goes all right.
But what am I supposed to do when people ask for old transactions done in a previous clan when the treasurer does not want to pay?
- The sender asked for nothing until today
- Clans have deals with individuals to pay them directly (I believe this is why I did not receive any request for payment so far, transfer logs are such a mess that the only way to keep it clean is to request/pay immediately) |
What did the transfer state specifically? Did it mention the artifact was to be leased to the clan?
If the artifact went into the clan depository - Then the clan should definitely pay.
If the user transferred you an artifact with no terms/conditions, you should pay for the battles used, even if a month is up. Rather than wait for the user to request compensation, clans should be proactive and return the artifact within a month, or make payment each month until the artifact is returned. |
Is this regarding clan PvP? I was asked just last week to pay for a set rented back in april, and so I messaged Ektoras and he payed for the set happily since I was in the clan at that time.
I would be interested in finding the answer to the question if you can maybe clear up with the admins as it is a strange system where you play without paying and have to wait to be sent the bill later, especially if as you say the leader of the clan you leave doesnt want to pay any longer and that was as was agreed when you were a member |
Is this regarding clan PvP?
Yes. The treasurer did not answer, the deputy argued he could not verify if he already paid for it (despite me sending all the relevant logs) and left the clan afterwards.
What did the transfer state specifically?
Nothing, they just send artifacts:
2018-07-07 16:52: Received item: 'Pirate-captain magic ring [N12E12A12W12F12]' [57/73] to be returned until 07-07-18 18:04; for 1 battles from Elf on unicorn . Transaction price: 1 Gold
2018-07-07 16:52: Received item: 'Pirate-captain magic ring [N12E12A12W12F12]' [47/68] to be returned until 07-07-18 18:04; for 1 battles from Elf on unicorn . Transaction price: 1 Gold
2018-07-07 16:52: Received item: 'Greater temporal amulet [N12E12A12W12F12]' [66/83] to be returned until 07-07-18 18:04; for 1 battles from Elf on unicorn . Transaction price: 1 Gold
Things like that.
Did it mention the artifact was to be leased to the clan?
No, but this is what everyone does, sets that are used cost 10 to 15k per battle so paying as a player is not a viable option.
Rather than wait for the user to request compensation, clans should be proactive and return the artifact within a month, or make payment each month until the artifact is returned.
That does make sense, this is what I am doing now (that's not the first time this problem happened to me). There also is the problem of deals where the clan pays directly one sender (I receive the artifacts and do not pay anything), they still happen to send bills to me rather than to the clan and so perhaps one day I will receive some after leaving the clan. I guess I can still insist to have the bills sent to me and request refund from the treasurer but that does not look like an ideal system.
Besides if you consider that the clan has no responsibility you could have a theoretical case where a player could be punished because he can not afford the bills (even if he still is in the clan that should have paid for it).
especially if as you say the leader of the clan you leave doesnt want to pay any longer and that was as was agreed when you were a member
I always keep preciously the mail that says the clan will cover artifact costs just in case even if I know it has no real value :p |
In the clans that I've been in the player is always responsible for paying for the artifacts immediately after the artifacts have been used. Then you ask the treasurer/leader later to reimburse you. This makes sense to me because it would be tedious for the treasurer to constantly pay renters after every battle throughout the day.
There are no rules that specifically govern this, but if there is a case where the renter complains (in C&A forums) that he was not paid, I would guess that the admins will punish the player who rented for not paying, regardless of the clan's policy. |
In the clans that I've been in the player is always responsible for paying for the artifacts immediately after the artifacts have been used.
This. In the clans I've been SK, the player will pay for the set immediately after use and then the clan so reimburse them (similar to renting out from your own depo.
In your case, I'd probably tell the art renter to talk to the deputy to sort something out between them. You may end up out of pocket if the guy puts in a complaint though. Elf on unicorn is generally quite a nice player if you talk to her calmly though :) |
play without paying and have to wait to be sent the bill late
For this you should be proactive and ask the person who owns the set how much you should pay. |
I think I mentionned the proactivity but that does not change the fact that there is a blank in the rules and the actual situation only relies on the good will of all the parties involved from what has been said for now.
Elf on unicorn is generally quite a nice player
I just quoted a random log, I have no problem with the elf.
In the clans that I've been in the player is always responsible for paying for the artifacts immediately after the artifacts have been used. Then you ask the treasurer/leader later to reimburse you. This makes sense to me because it would be tedious for the treasurer to constantly pay renters after every battle throughout the day.
What's the difference beetween sending logs to player that pays and sends logs to treasurer that pays and sendings logs to treasurer that pays for the sender? I never said payment is done per battle just like I don't request refund per battle. For exemple your treasurer has a deal with my clan, I did not pay for artifacts and his log shows gold coming from our deputy to your treasurer (and he sends artifacts for days and requests payment for wathever is used). There's my nickname somewhere in cyrillic...
https://www.lordswm.com/pl_transfers.php?id=6949780&page=2
But why are we arguing on this? The fact is that it happens even if you never met this case and it's just not in this very clan. Wether or not the system is good or not is also not relevant, some found it interesting enough to do it and it does not break any game rule, what else is there to say about it?
I'll leave the topic opened if someone wants to add something but as I'm concerned my initial question has been answered in that the rules state nothing for clan PvP renting. |
| closed by Slust (2018-07-21 17:54:03) |
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