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| Author | [HWM radio] Interview at 8pm.. Part 2.. Sort of. :) |
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Well, it seems like the previous topic was closed 'conveniently' after a 'free-for-all bashing' by some.
So think it's only fair to hear both sides of the story and to answer some of the queries raised by some, including the TS of the previous topic, so as to provide a clearer picture, and not have anyone make assumptions [and some would say, lies].
To start, Since the merger, I always thought .com/English-speaking players, being in the extreme minority of total game players, would stick together, through thick and thin. But guess I was wrong. And I mean, extremely wrong. No fault of anyone, just me being too idealistic and trusting in people generally, I guess. I should have known better. My fault here. :)
Of course, Not all are like that. In fact, it's only a minority, but still, took me a little by surprised when it first started, I must admit.
To the main point - Like I said previously, I have remained quiet and kept my thoughts and opinion to myself. I only respond when others talk about me/clan and its members in a negative manner. But guess some just can't leave others alone. And I thought internet trolling and keyboard warriors are passé.
Guess not.
So this topic is purely in response to queries, assumptions and accusations made.
If I were to write everything there is to write, a few posts wouldn't be enough, so I'll just address what's written in the previous topic.
[1] I wonder if they're getting the boot too. Oh, and I can prepare a list to make things easier.
Don't start with me/clan and its members [again]. Remember what you said to me on Skype?
No, I'm not the one who wanted to boot members for no valid reason.
If you recalled, you are the one who called your ex-members/friends 'young kittens' [very insulting, imho] just coz they have a difference in opinion than yours, remember? You said inactive members should be removed for not doing defense, remember?
If you insist on slandering the clan and its members openly, then I have no choice but to say, "Bring it on". Let's wash all our dirty linens in public. Other than disagreeing with others' [like yours] opinions, I don't bad-mouth anyone unless forced upon.
You want to do a list? I assure you, you have more to lose than me.
[2] I was part of AD management, so I know the insides more than the average player.
You were a Storekeeper for about 5-6 months out of A&D's 7 years of existence. While you know a little more than others, don't over-sell yourself.. please.
Wasn't booted for inactivity.. Will tell you that for free.
Never said it was. If you wanted to know [instead of assuming], all you have to do was ask. Not hard to do.
But no, you have to bring it up in a public forum. Real cool. | Firstly, if going by your [and a few others] own definition and standard [repeated many times in Skype chat], clan should remove members who don't actively do defenses, right? I would ask you to look at her logs, but guess you already know the answer.
In the past roughly one year, she has done a grand total of... ONE defense.
So if we go by your standard, she should be removed long time ago.
But no, she was NOT removed for that reason.
The reason she was removed was coz she is your real life girlfriend [not an issue by itself]. I know she being in clan will give you privy to all of our clan mails and Skype chat [whether they actually contained any valuable info or not is irrelevant].
And don't even start on, "We have separate accounts'.
Why I would know, you may ask?
Because I have screenshots [if I dig through my PC/Skype chat hard enough] of you saying,
[a] you accidentally joined a battle using her account [!],
[b] you replied to a Skype message using her account.
In case you don't know, sharing of accounts [whether deliberately or accidentally] is illegal and against the rules in this game? I'm sure a forums mod like yourself know that?
I have given you the benefit of the doubt about KiisuKat when you left. But again and again, you have spoken bad against clan/your ex-members and 'friends'/me when we did/said absolutely NOTHING against you.
But your posts in that topic is the last straw. It's obvious you hold a certain unhappiness/animosity towards us even though we have done *nothing* against you, other than have a difference in opinion [which is supposedly cool in the adult world].
So given the circumstances, to protect the interests of the clan and its members, I stand by my decision. I'm sure almost any clan leader would do likewise.
And don't even get me started [unless you insist on it by posting more negative, biased and unsubstantiated remarks] on your 'questionable' dealings while being a SK and blatant favoritism as a recruiter.
And to show your 'double-sided' nature, I use your own words [the reason you gave for closing the topic after you had the last word].
This is clearly going off topic, locking the thread before it escalates more.
Seriously?
Who went off topic and escalated the matter? Everything was more or less on topic till you posted ->
2018-02-04 06:54: Sir Jedi Knight has evicted KiisuKat from the clan. Wasn't booted for inactivity.. Will tell you that for free.
You, as a forums mod, surely know this is off-topic?
But yet, you started the off-topic issue, and then closed the thread [after your last words] coz it 'went off topic'?
Go figure this one out. | This whole thing reminds me of a guy who initiated a breakup with his gf, purely coz of a difference in opinion.
One party moved on, but the other party just simply can't let the breakup be amicable, even though he initiated it and the gf gave her blessing.
He just have to go on and on and on disparaging, slandering and making public remarks about his ex-gf.
Maybe insecurity? Maybe seeking for acceptance/sympathy that he did the right thing by breaking up?
Whatever the reason [only heaven and their own hearts know], I can see the funny side of it. :D | | Meshy made it clear that he has expressed his personal opinions. You disagree with them? Fine. Starting a thread on the GGF, resorting to personal attacks seems so petty. | I'm sorry. He expressed 'his opinion' in the wrong topic, didn't he? I don't see you telling him he went off topic in the other chat?
And I beg to differ - It's not a personal attack. It's a response to 'personal attacks' made against me/clan and its members
Please don't twist the whole thing around. :)
PS: And in your opinion, you think the topic is started in the 'wrong' section', you could have easily have suggested that the topic be moved to a relevant section of the forums, couldn't you?
But guess that never crossed your mind.) | Oh, before anyone makes assumptions again, I better make it as clear as possible regarding this remark -
To start, Since the merger, I always thought .com/English-speaking players, being in the extreme minority of total game players, would stick together, through thick and thin. But guess I was wrong. And I mean, extremely wrong. No fault of anyone, just me being too idealistic and trusting in people generally, I guess. I should have known better. My fault here. :)
"I always thought .com/English-speaking players, being in the extreme minority of total game players, would stick together, through thick and thin."
--> DON'T mean they have to be in the same MC, or even in a .com MC. They can still stick together regardless of whatever .com.ru MC they are in. | Jedi, you need to stop taking things so personal.
I listened to all 2 hours of the interview, and nowhere did meshy make any personal attacks on you or the clan.
I sujest you stop this before it gets out of hand again. | PS: And in your opinion, you think the topic is started in the 'wrong' section', you could have easily have suggested that the topic be moved to a relevant section of the forums, couldn't you?
But guess that never crossed your mind.)
If only I knew in which forum section the rants belong to. | @Meshy. I never mentioned anything about the interview [although quite a few others who also listened to the interview made it clear in their posts that he voiced A&D in a negative light. Go read yourself, bud. :)
And please [I say it with all good intent to you] don't say that topic has no negative impact on the clan. If you could read our Skype chat, you would know it DOES have an impact.
So no, my comments have nothing to do with the interview itself, but what were posted in that topic, and I was asked by certain members to respond to it [have the screenshots to prove it if you want to see].
I don't even get it. What is so hard not talking about our clan anyway? Are we that popular a topic that some can't get their minds off it? Can't be, right? | | @D2A, I meant. :) | Date: 2018-02-04 16:28:25
From: virtual_vitrea
To: Meshy
Subject: Do you hear yourself?
"If I really wanted to read A&D clan mails, I have several people who would be more than happy to accommodate me."
That's such a childish argument. Your people who choose to stay in A&D would listen to a guy who has no qualms about speaking against A&D? what a pity you always want to close the thread any time it starts to get heated. Not to mention, you were the one who initiated the nonsense in that thread.
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I have yet to hear from him - not that i want to as it would probably ruin my day. But i feel like I haven't seen such an unpleasant dealing of things in this game- its a shame many people did not only legitimize it, but went as far as appreciating the triviality of that garbage of an interview. I wasn't going to say anything about the interview itself and made no comment on the original post until he came up with more dirt using his girlfriend's eviction. And yes, as you may have figured it out i have a personal reasons for saying this because i have got friends in A&D who i think did not deserve to be treated like this. | @D2A
I know you are a level-headed person, and I always respected you for it.
Instead of asking me not to respond to those making remarks about clan and its members/me, why not suggest to your friends to stop talking about us in public?
Do you ever see me doing talking about them [unless it's in response]?
I mean, there are like a gazillion and one topics to talk about in the forums. Why must some talk about us [even when they know it's off-topic!] persistently in public? We are not handsome. We are not popular. We are not even cool. :D
I don't even get it. What is so hard not talking about our clan and its members anyway? Are we that popular a topic that some can't get their minds off it? Can't be, right? | Meshy made it clear that he has expressed his personal opinions. You disagree with them? Fine. Starting a thread on the GGF, resorting to personal attacks seems so petty.
where do you suggest we start a thread on an issue we believe to be serious? You tell us. Clearly the other person has used his own platform to talk about things we find wrong. You would prefer a no-consequence one sided bashing? |
And please [I say it with all good intent to you] don't say that topic has no negative impact on the clan. If you could read our Skype chat, you would know it DOES have an impact.
As an outsider, having no knowledge about whats happening and why happening, just by reading previous thread I could say that it DOES have big negative impact on clan. And harmed/harming clans repo more or less.
Only my opinion by being a 3rd party person and an observant. | Wanted to stay as an "Outside observer" and trying to calm things down, but Idk, Tbh.
I have to say, I got to hear some "Dark" things (At least thats what I've been told) about specific people lately, things I was Unaware of, which kinda "Shocked" me...
And some of them apparently seem very "True", actually.
BUT Imo ----->>> The "Good Ones" arent as "Good", nor the "Bad Ones" arent as "Bad".
I have to be quiet and "Analyze" more still, though.
Panick spread too much, and "Some" are taking advantage of it I see Btw, worth mentioning this last thing.
Also, I see many people felt offended about issues that arent related to them at all, Lol.
I see everybody is way way "Over reacting", as I said last month, when the first round of migration players between clans happened.
Yes, of course, if X Person insults my friend, it gonna affect me, but I feel people reacting to things not related at all to them.
I dont mean "Its not of your bussiness", but you get my point I hope...
I was "Happier" before installing Skype days ago and hearing/reading stuff, Tbh.
As they say, "Happiness is Bliss".)))
You see the Forums, and you can feel how it is getting "Divided" as time passes.
It is very very sad, Imo.
what a pity you always want to close the thread any time it starts to get heated.
"Throw the stone and hide the hand", I think its called.
It also "Shocked" me that the Thread got suddendly closed.
Yes, maybe to deny the issue from "Escalating", but the thread was closed right after the accusation, weird.
i have got friends in A&D who i think did not deserve to be treated like this.
You'd freak out how "Some" are "Judging" me for not migrating into EFL ASAP Lol, honestly. Like "By staying in AnD, you are Tolerating/SUPPORTING this.", LOL!
I really really "Love" a lot those of EFL, as any player of .Com (Im "Loyal" to the Server more than to any Clan in specific), but I see no "Strong" reason to move ATM.
Again, as I said, I've been told "Dark Issues" which seem reliable/true and Shocked me hard.
... But I think the "Good guys" arent as Good, nor the "Bad" as bad, as I said.
Just "Chill" everybody, talk normal to the others in .Com, "Live", do your things, Breath...
I opened the Thread in .Ru last month against Russian Admins n Translator to deviate the attention from these arguments n verbal/oral fights, not to have us get More Stuff really (I mean, it was not the main reason) but apparently this cant be deviated anymore.
There is a "Permanent Crack" in .Com I can tell in Forums.
That you are from another Guild doesnt mean that you are my Enemy, Chill...
Anyway, random thoughts I got. Didnt wanna participate in the Topic this time, but whatever. Love, guys. | ts a shame many people did not only legitimize it, but went as far as appreciating the triviality of that garbage of an interview.
I do not know why you criticise the interview :( To me, it was fantastic to have a .com player speak in an interview. It forced a discussion on the following points from the top of my head -
1. Clan income from facilities and if the economy is broken
2. .com clans' appetite for PvP
3. Closer collaboration between .com and .ru
4. Where can .com players complain about problems
5. Forum threads gathering discussion topics for admin interviews getting little traction
6. English being allowed in 1 forum discussion topic on .ru
7. ICC
8. Unofficial game resources used by .com players
9. Discussion of war between EFL and PVO
The interview lasted more than an hour. There are some points you might take offense to, there are some points I am entitled to take offence to if I want. But surely, the interview as a whole was a very positive step for our community. And, I would like to thank @Meshy for taking out the time and bringing these topics up. I disagree with him on some points, you can pick apart the points you don't agree with, but please do not paint the interview as a whole in a bad light.
It was fantastic :) Thanks Meshy, my gratitude also goes to the translator and the interviewer. Finally, the radio, for giving a .com representative the time :D | I think AK members need to chill... I still see next threads and posts where Jedi is criticized by players from other clans, specially by AK members...
In my opinion every member who joined to A&D clan should agree with A&D policy and idea of functioning our clan. Please stop judge and DO yourelf instead always clucking. Me and I'm sure 90% of .com playes are tired of next complaining and crying posts about how bad is Jedi his clan policy. I'm really glad to be a A%D member and I have many reasons why I'm still here | I think AK members need to chill...
Why speak in general? | In my opinion every member who joined to A&D clan should agree with A&D policy and idea of functioning our clan.
Teach me master! :D
My situation - Nobody in EFL obeys me. To be honest, I find most of Pat's ideas noobish too and so don't obey him. We try to make clan policy about sticking to certain sectors but some player (often me :D) sends a clan PM for facility attack and breaks it. Then, when I ask them not to defend, they choose to fight PvP and we get a war on our hands. I try to be diplomatic and make an agreement with alliances about sectors. Then, next day, Night Crawler messages the clan saying that he is talking to #464 and we have to do blah blah blah. And I have to agree because he did a better job than me and people support him. I don't like democracy very much too :( Our members have their own ideas of how to run the clan. They constantly keep criticising and making their own clan policy. It is too messy :/ | In general lets be a touch proportional
What has actually happened - as opposed to just words
Meshy was asked his opinion in the interview - he gave it - and said it was less bad than he could have - I am inclined to agree with him on this - he has no cause to lie about it
Was it nice for people to bring it up into a forum and stir things up into a public negative- I would say this was not a wise choice for people on .com as a whole - it makes us look childish (IMO)
Sir Jedi evicted a member
Something he has a right to do and a policy to justify in terms of Survs - though as he said in honesty - this was not really the main reason.
Was this nice (or politically expedient) to do so without a separate message to the relevant person to explain why and be polite about it. I would say this was not a wise choice either.
However we all human that makes mistakes, I am especially human in that respect. Lets not make it bigger than it need to be.
Is any of this stuff really that BAD. Not really. There are a lot of people in all parts of the world that have to deal with bad things in their life, this barely scratches the surface - just let it pass.
Ipsen sent me a mail about things going on in A&D and wanted my opinion (as he had for many people) and to which he has openly said he did on the forum.
This is what I said to him and say to all those with negative feelings to A&D
"I am fairly ignorant of the details of what goes on in the inner runnings of A+D - I am active on forums, but not on the skype chat or anywhere else.
From my position it is nice to be in a clan where I have no pressure to do anything I don;t want to (ie Survs - I can if I want, equally I cannot if I want)
I get the stat benefit of being in the clan
I am more in contact with .com people during events.
I can rent things if needed.
So what possible negatives are there.
Well the implication may be that there is more opportunity for them to give more than they are. This is the lack of greater advantage, but does not move it to a negative."
Ie whatever 'BAD' things happened - has only the prospect of reducing the advantage - it cannot change it to a negative - Whatever financial impropriety may be implied - only pertains to less financial advantage to the general people - not to us actually losing gold that is ours. I see no way any harm has come to the general member of A&D sufficient to get that worked up about. |
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