| Author | Unruly + Stun? |
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I can simply not recall a battle where my Enforcers performed Unruly + Stun in the same attack.
They either perform Stun or Unruly or Nothing. Can someone counter this with a battle link where Enforcers perform both?
And if they cannot perform both at the same time, then that is a huge disadvantage, since Stun on Unruly means 200% Stun chance. |
| Isn't that expected? Since the 2nd hit for unruly only works when they have been retaliated against? |
Since the 2nd hit for unruly only works when they have been retaliated against?
I'm not too sure about that, because it is purely based on chance..
probability of unruly is only 20% per move..
I guess stun can happen in one hit, second hit(unruly) or wouldn't strike at all. |
Isn't that expected? Since the 2nd hit for unruly only works when they have been retaliated against?
What? where did that come from..? I'm pretty sure unruly doesn't require that. |
http://prntscr.com/b1lzlr
The way I read that is that enforces have to be retaliated against in order to do the second hit. |
Incase the prntscr doesn't work for some (I've had trouble with it the past few days)
Unruly:
† Triggering special ability.
This creature has a chance to deal an extra strike after being (if due) retaliated at its first one. This chance is calculated prior to the target’s retaliation. |
lol
i did not know enforcers had stun.
Maybe it was removed recently?
and
100% sure, the 2nd hit for unruly does not require enforcers to be retaliated against. |
o wait... with 1000 tribal spirit
maybe i should play tribal more often :-) |
Yea it doesn't require retaliation to proc unruly, seen battles where this happened and it does say "if due". They worded it this way to show that the second hit will hit after, not before retaliation if there is any retaliation to be dealt.
Though, interesting topic about whether the unruly and stun can both proc, would like to know if anyone has seen it happen too :) |
guys, I just had a match where 90% of the match it didn't happen.
but when my enforcers got to tribal lvl 3, it immediately got stun and became unruly and dealt the second hit.
So maybe it depends on the tribal lvl as well! |
| battle link: https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=773754406 |
Just to clarify, if Stun & Unruly stack, the most positive result would be somewhat like this:
Enforcers deal xx damage to Boar Riders.
Enforcers perform stun.
Enforcers deal yy damage to Boar Riders. (Unruly Strike)
Enforcers perform stun. (Stun on Unruly Strike)
But ofc, a stun on both the normal and unruly strikes would be useless, as ATB displacement shall be the same, so I'd say either a stun on Normal strike OR on Unruly strike.
The problem on the table right now is that presently...
Enforcers perform Stun 'OR' Unruly Strike in battles post Tribal Level 3.
So it's either of the two, never a combination of both. Logically speaking, a combination of both should be the actual result, but that never happens. |
| Topic moved from "Queries and help" to "Combat problems". |
| What I have seen is that: if stun works then 2nd strike won't happen. |
so many wrong word in this thread...
1-stun is gained on spirit lvl 3
2-unruly doesnt require spirit lvl
3-if your target has retaliation,then unruly triggers after it retals your attack but if target is already retaled,unruly can trigger after the main attack
4-unruly is a trigger skill and its chance is not 20%... |
And if they cannot perform both at the same time, then that is a huge disadvantage, since Stun on Unruly means 200% Stun chance.
Lol how did you get 200%? Let's say the chance to stun in a certain case is 30%, then the chance to stun if unruly worked would be 1-(0.7)^2=51%, thus 170%... the more the initial stun chance is the lower % increase, so for example if the stun chance is the max at 75% the chance to stun if unruly worked would be 1-(1/4)^2=15/16=93.75%, thus a total change of 93.75/75= 125%.
The highest on the other hand will be when the stun chance is the lowest, or 5%, in which case it is 1-(0.95)^2=9.75% or a total change of 9.75/5= 195%... note that even if the lowest limit was not 5% chance it would still never reach 200%.
Anyway, back to the question I have never really seen it happen, would be interesting to see if anyone can post a battle link with it. |
for randomr1:
200% was a symbolic representation that the formula for Triggering ability shall be applied twice in the same turn thus giving the damaging stack Twice the chance to perform stun within the same turn due to two separate strikes with respective Trigger Formulas.
Do not complicate a simple observation. |
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=803448236
It seems it is possible, but just very hard to happen at the same time. |
| It does happen. Happened multiple times in recent battles that I've played. QATC. |
| closed by AKA (2016-11-06 09:59:36) |
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