| Author | Why are dwarfs called cheater faction? |
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| Question^ |
| because of the runes they are highly unpredictable :P so people say they cheat |
I can only speak for myself here.
I cant stand dwarves because their runes offer way too much power and flexibility in their usage which makes it really frustating to play against.
In addition to that i feel that their units defensive stats are a bit too high and dont get me started on their tier 6 unit... |
| I wonder you haven't yet faced a dark demon especially level 12+ |
| well, i call them cheat because they steal my holy magic. |
Most people just say it as an joke. I call them that at times but I also call elf that as well.
Also it could be because Dwarf are normally very strong in Vanguards (Event and Survilurgs), even though this game is very well balanced in PvP. |
even though this game is very well balanced in PvP.
kinda, yeah
Also it could be because Dwarf are normally very strong in Vanguards (Event and Survilurgs)
They are weak in hunts and most MG.. so they deserve that advantage |
| Every faction cheats accept the one I'm playing, obviously because I keep losing pvp :( |
| they are good in pvp if you know how to play with dwarf if you dont know then you lose anyway ) |
for eConquest: 'and dont get me started on their tier 6 unit...'
whats wrong with their tier 6 unit? :o |
for eConquest: 'and dont get me started on their tier 6 unit...'
whats wrong with their tier 6 unit? :o
They can reach you in 1st turn; if you have no fast unit to block it and/or have bad luck with setup (or with ini deviation...), it can be game over from start. Even if you have the luck, it just needs a bad move and they will slain half armies in 2v2 with hydra rune. This is why they are "cheat faction" to me.
The rest is fine I guess; at least to me. |
Why are dwarfs called cheater faction?
because i feel they get more luck and morale triggers than they should :)
Also bears can just keep knocking your slow units to death. And the real pain is, bears are strong too... so it doesn't take many hits on a stack of 30 ogres :P |
| retribution cheat molests my entire army in 15 seconds |
Why are dwarfs called cheater faction?
to sum up:
a) at FL9 they got (x2) hydra rune, with which a unit of yours, hits all adjacent troops and you DONT get retaled. With bad enemy setup and 1-2 luck triggers they can kill your whole army.
b) A highly skilled bear user can knock stacks all over the whole night. After all it's the mundial way babe!
c) Berserkers can find you wherever you are and with their skill and luck trigger can destroy a full stack
d) What not to love with patriarch's range-protect spell?
All in all they are fairly balanced at PvP i would say but AWESOME CHEATERS at defenses, ambushes and any kind of AI battle, except hunts i think. |
because
"when you have only 1 stacks troops (let say 100 guardians) and he has frontier bear, you will absolutely lose"
kill dwarf = kill bear first :) |
Bears + soldier's luck is just crazy, silly and frustrating. I have seen stacks of 80+ guardians die to a stack of 30 bears killing 3-4 each hit but dont gettin to retaliate or move again to hit them.
I guess a licit way to play against them in that case is just camp at the corner and kill him with the hero :/. |
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=60617308
From Arctic's profile. Poor barbarian :) |
Because they kill me 90% of the time in my TG Ambushes...
Knockback makes me cry...
Their units are always impervious to somekind of damage - my fire spells cannot rend the armor of upg bears or upg sentries nor can they damage patriarchs AT ALL. Disruption ray doesn't work on the bears or sentries either.
Runes + Luck hit can kill basically any army in a few turns.
Agility runes when used by bears practically guarantee a knockback in addition to severely damaging your units right at the onset of the battle. |
I would say, that name "cheater faction" mostly comes from two things (my opinion):
1. rune of retribution (hydra rune) + lucky strikes.
2. a lot of people dont know how to play against dwarf.
Of course, is impressive to see invokers jumping to bunch of units, hit 3+ times and get luck on few hits. But final effect is more based on luck trigger and number of available targets, than rune or invokers. Every faction with high luck and nice luck triggering in battle is awesome. We can say the same for elf, demon or dark elf (= fast faction with good units and lucky strikes can destroy whole your army in few moves).
Dwarf has low "base damage". His units are more focused on defence and he doesnt have offensive talents. Dwarven units dont have the best initiative. This is reason, why a lot of people play dwarf with morale + luck talents.
If you know, how to play against dwarf, you can negate a lot of his advantages.
I said about lower initiative. So you can block jumping position for dreadbanes / invokers and prevent using retribution rune in good position. The same is true for bears. They are big units, not so hard to block. With good units positioning you can totally destroy his ability to knock someone.
Berserkers. Well, they can do nice damage, but its little a lottery. Their base damage is 3-8, what is big range. With stronger curse they are crippled badly. In opposite, with bless they are more deadly. Madness ability is used on the closest unit in berserker range. You can use it as your advantage and again with good positioning you can interrupt his ability to use madness effective. Berserkers are extremely vulnerable after they used madness, so you can use it as your advantage too.
You should remember, what rune was used with which unit and what rune can be still used. Sometimes you can even "force" use any rune. Runes are very strong and tactical advantage, but when you know function of runes and when to use them, you can predict their using.
I dont want to say, that dwarves are weak, but they are totally not over powered, if you know how to play against them. I would say for people who have not played dwarf and say that he is op, try it and you will see the truth :).
They are strong for survilurgs, but its mostly because they are not targeted first for long time and can do a lof of job. If obvious first targets like elves, dark elves, barbarians, ... werent targeted first, they would do the same job as dwarf, maybe better. And for hunts and mercenary, well you can be "little" frustrated, because there are much better faction for it. |
| Well, because they were introduced later admins were like "COME ON BABY, LET'S FIRE UP THIS THING". You can confirm my words on Mercenary quests against dwarves, muahahha !! |
