| Author | Isn't concentration little unfair? |
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With concentration, you have unlimited retaliation and even retaliate units with no retaliation.With it, units with unlimited retaliation will retaliate before and after the attack.
Isn't it unfair as there are no other talent to equal to or to counter it and knights can get it with just 48 talent points.(others 54 except necros,I think) |
| but its difficult to get |
but its difficult to get
Also, upon taking that talent, you leave yourself vulnerable at other areas, for example, upon taking concentration, you leave yourself unable to take holy magic or any other talents that aren't the requireents.
Moreover, Concentration can also be easily counted. Let's use the eample of elf. True, concentration allows 2 retaliation for griffins, but elves can just get 1 efk to attack the griffins, wasting it's retaliation, allowing the main stack of efk to attack. |
Knights need 66 points to get Concentration, so its impossible for them to get it now. Barbs on the other hand, needs only 36 points.
Also it doesn't give your stacks unlimited retaliation, probably just a description error. |
for Straws:
4 for elves then what does it do exactly |
| People concentration works only on defending stacks , the stack has to defend to be able to retaliate ... |
concentration is a terrible talent and even if you can take it i would notn advice it.
it works like this:
your stack defends, the enemy attacks with 1 unit. After that the enemy attacks with a "big stack" This will happen:
Rocs deal 768 damage to elite forest keepers. 1 perish.
Elite forest keepers 1350 damage to rocs. 10 perish.
Without the talent it would look like this:
Elite forest keepers 3 damage to rocs. 0 perish.
Rocs deal 768 damage to elite forest keepers. 1 perish.
Elite forest keepers 1350 damage to rocs. 10 perish.
The talent description is completely wrong but admins (still) have not changed it.
It only works once and is in most cases utterly useless. |
Ok.After reading the discription ,I thought all units(say guardians) will retaliate unlimited times and units with unlimited retaliation will retaliate before and after the attack.
By the way griffins have unlimited retaliation and retaliation takers wouldn't work.And Knights need only 48 points unlike necros.
I have a doubt.Will griffins with this talent retaliate before the attack only once or unlimited and will they retaliate against no retaliation units once or unlimited? |
Against Shrews, defending Griffins with Retaliation will retaliate *once* before the attack. Further Shews stacks attacking them in the same turn will hit them as usual.
Concentration is an awful Talent, only its (wrong) description makes up for it. |
And Knights need only 48 points unlike necros.
Knights need:
basic defense (8)
advanced defense (8)
expert defense (8)
vitality (8)
stand your ground (8)
concentration (8)
Thats 6*8 = 48!
But they need:
basic offence (9)
tactics (9)
2*9 = 18
as well!
So overall they need 48+18 = 66+ talent points which you would have starting in hypothetical combat level 17. |
| Why do they need tactics? |
| concentration would be the best for some MGs..like raids..maybe for ambushes too..dont see any other place where you can use it effectively! |
Why do they need tactics?
Different factions, different talent wheels.
You can find talent wheels demo here:
http://eng.witchhammer.ru/viewpage.php?page_id=11 |
After reading the discription ,I thought all units(say guardians) will retaliate unlimited times and units with unlimited retaliation will retaliate before and after the attack.
it suppose act on that way which was what it should like in HoMM :) |
| Okay, why is the topic starter complaining about that many non existing level 17 knights that are using the talent? |
