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Mirk
look here it says all:
http://www.heroeswm.com/war.php?warid=470366803
Noticed that he did not attack enemies once, not even once in the whole battle.
Comments are welcome, ban even more welcome. | | ehm the player was Mirz actually :P | hmm maybe there should be a player created list of players fixing fights, but AFK in fights are will be tricky to do since there are many factors. I say the list should have the players name and the war log to go with it as proof of the claim.
The list should warn honest players about a potential fight fixer when doing group fights. | Looking at the fight, i do not think Mirz was trying to fix the fight for gain. He was making a point about having 2nd tier upgrades in a fight that was supposed to be no second tier upgrade.
It is his personal choice to make a point that he stands for and while the application of his protest is a bit skewed, its his choice and as such I do not support any bans | i did not hold up the fighy, pressing defend as soon as possible,
i had nothing to gain from losing, i actually paid shamas for art wear on the fight.
and if ye want, i can provide some other combat logs were i did the same.
actually, the same counts for teammembers entering a no art fight with full arts, always a lame excuse and always thinking their team will not complain.
hopefully in another 100 of those fights no one will dare to try this lame behavior in battles where i play in anymore.
i play this game for fun, not to be the biggest bestest badass in the game, and lame behavior like that spoils it for me, so i will spoil their fun for a change | I support Mirz on this. Typical behaviour of people entering no arts battles with arts thinking they are super smart. I've seen one guy enter in no arts games repeatedly and the first line out of his mouth is "sorry didn't read desc".
Well done Mirz on bringing the fight back to those who would act in dishonour! | | I support Mirz too; he has acted courageously and nobly. If more people followed his precedent, then we would have less scumbags joining battles while ignoring the artifact/upgrade restrictions. | No sorry i dont agree.
Altough i can understand the principles of its fight, it was to harsh anyway.
I DID given up the first turn of Shrews by defending with them, and in fact when they turn came again they were almost dead. So that should have been sufficient and he should have stoppend being a child in that moment.
But he dont, and its only because of that im blaming him.
So dont be eager to judge him a paladin of justice, he was just childish in his dream of justice until the end. That is not acceptable in any circumstance | | I agree with Mirz on this one. DivinaDemon, I dont think Mirz did anything wrong as standing up for something you belive in is not wrong. The person who was wearing arts is to blame for Mirz's behaviour. | Why is that not acceptable ? Because you didn't have an easy win, like you planned when entering the battle without respecting the choice of others ?
You're the one acting like a spoiled child, here. | Velora, look at the battle please. It is not an issue on artifacts.
Yamaneko, maybe you didnt see the battle.
I did agree and i did defend with my shrews on the first turn, and when their turn come back were almost dead.
THAT should have been sufficient, from that point on Mirz should have stopped being The Hand of God, and start playing normally in team.
Especially because the cause of its rage was gone from the game.
So if maybe he was right at the beginning, surely after shrews were gone he should have changed attitude.
And it is not my fault if DEVs introduced diamond system, it is not cheating, it is just part of the game.
I think Mirz hides behind a mask of hate for the new paying system, that its the truth.
So if he has something against it, he should take it to DEVs and not on other players.
So, because there are not yet rules in the game creation that limit of forbid the joining of gamers with no diamond upgraded units and arts, the fact stands: he did play for the enemy attacking its own side the whole game.
And that FACT should be punished.
You cant make justice for yourself, DEVs have to think and care of it. | And only because you paid for your shrews have to put them in the face of everyone else even if they clearly state before that they don't want to have 2nd tier upgrade?
You can easily change between rouges and shrews anytime, but you choose not to, instead you joined the battle and thus giving your side a great advantage.
So normaly the other side will loose and have their time wasted.
All mirz has done is give it back to you and as i checked he paid the other dude for his art wear. | | I, too, think that Mirz' behaviour was applaudable as educational method in order to get people to read the battle description and heed it, too, instead of joining for a unfair and rather sure win. Yes, I realize it can happen by mistake, but mistakes are avoidable quite often. And if it happens not to have been a mistake, double as right Mirz was. | And again. How many time i have to tell it? do you understand th words or just write the first things that came in your mind?
I AGREE with Mirz, before my Shrews were gone.
i DONT AGREE after my Shrews were gone.
The battle was still open, so why dont play it? The advantage at that point was in the hands of the enemy but the battle was still open.
What i condemn is the part AFTER.
Hope this time is clearer. | And obviously he wanted to driive the lesson home.
If a player dimisses the restrictions of a battle, he does this in most cases to gain an advantage. sure it can happen by mistake, but i guess thats just a small part.
Mostly the own teammates wont do anything aggainst him and in this case he gains the advantage he was aiming for, now if in some games the own teammates wont tollerate it and are waiting for the "intruder" to get rid of his andvantage and then continue to play from the point on that is conceived even, then the "intruder" has lost nothing, so overall the strategy of intentionally joining rstricted battles against such a restriction is still profitable to him.
Only by forcing the intruder to loose will there be any disadvantage at all for him. And since that happens rarely enough - I guess it will still be profitable for him.
People should just read the restrictions and heed them, cause else they are spoiling the fun for everyone else.
If more players acted like mirz it would reduce that kind of misbehaviour (of the intruders) and thus I support it. | Ranor your reasoning is flawed.
"now if in some games the own teammates wont tollerate it and are waiting for the "intruder" to get rid of his andvantage and then continue to play from the point on that is conceived even, then the "intruder" has lost nothing, so overall the strategy of intentionally joining rstricted battles against such a restriction is still profitable to him."
Like when?? where is the profit in playing with a full set of creature less?
No i still think that Mirz exagerate, and because the game will not give him reason (because there are no, as i said, game creation limits) and its only up to gamers.
But, as you can see, that kind of being "a bad player" is not punishable in any way, because the game CONSENT it, its more a matter of etiquette.
And looking how this discussion is going on, i turning my head on making it on purpose each time. So people like Mirz, instead of "giving lessons" or "show the true path" will create more and more angry and "chaeating" (but within the game rules and policies) players.
And you can do nothing about it.
So be a paladin, is not really a good idea. | | I also support mirz, it doesn't matter if ur shrews died fastly, u went into a game with your shrews where every1 was supposed to not have second tier creatures. I think he's very corageous because he's facing people like you. Did u think about the posibility that he's right and you're not? | Actually DivinaDemon, there is a very simple thing that can be done about it. And Mirz *did it*.
In your own words "that kind of being a bad player is not punishable in any way, because the game consent (allows) it, it's more a matter of etiquette.". I understood this to mean that because the game allows you to join a battle in spite of any posted conditions that it is only a "guideline" that you can choose to ignore if you wish. Perhaps you believe that not moving your Shrews for a turn makes up for that, but others would disagree, *obviously*.
Unfortunately for you your statement is also applicable to Mirz's behaviour. Usually a player will fight against the enemy, that is the etiquette of being on a team. But if they have cause to disagree with another on their team their is nothing *coded into the game* that forces them to assist their allies. As you said "the game CONSENT it". As long as they don't deliberately lose the game for money/resources I don't see that there is a problem. The blade cuts both ways, my friend
Finally, the game *does* currently provide a method to make people aware of the restrictions on a particular battle. It's the Challenge "Description" and it lets people know what they should and shouldn't bring to a battle. You have shown that you can ignore it and Mirz has shown that he has a recourse to punish those that do so when they play on his side. If you don't like that sort of thing happening perhaps you shouldn't be joining battles where you don't match the posted requirements. | This argument can go on for years, the fact is i can continue joining battles disregarding the description without being punished by the rules, and Mirz can continue attacking its own side, being in the "right" or not, and not be punished as well.
So do you all, Paladins of Justice, have to propose something serious or not?
Lets make a line, right here, how to behave agains "such bad players" like me.
State clearly what can be done, because being anti-team for the whole game is not a solution either, and if you have some kind of intellect, you can understand very well why.
So im all ears. | Well, there are more players respecting the challenge description than not in my experience, so it's obvious what can be done: make not heeding the description as uninteresting as possible to the violators by making them lose.
As there are more respectable players than unrespecting, the loss of them will divide over a larger amount of players, thus hurting the individual "bad" players more than the individual "good" player.
so: bad player on one side: opponents kill that player as quick as possible while his teammates stand by to lessen the exp and skill points for him. then a match of the remaining players, perhaps with a free round of hits for the now diminished team or some kind of reimbursement on which the remaining parties can agree. |
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