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Could you explain any correlation between saying the game is a pay to win, with complaining about diamonds existence?
We live on a capitalist planet, we've economy rules, obviously it would requires a source to gather money to become self sustainable, no problem here. However what I'm talking about is, this game is a pay to win, dot, as long you've money. I'm not complaining about diamonds existence.
If you think this game isn't a pay to win, please do a 1v1 against any one at same CL than you, using a full enchanted rare set with DU, and go ahead, show me the link of the battle, and let's see how balanced it was. | Could you explain any correlation between saying the game is a pay to win, with complaining about diamonds existence?
The only mode of 'Paying' in this game is via Diamonds. Hence the said co-relation was drawn.
If you think this game isn't a pay to win, please do a 1v1 against any one at same CL than you, using a full enchanted rare set with DU, and go ahead, show me the link of the battle, and let's see how balanced it was.
This is where you got the whole concept of 'Pay to Win' wrong.
Pay to Win is when you are allowed to buy better items or materials than everyone else at a faster rate/without grinding which are otherwise unobtainable by normal means and then shifts the balance of the game in favor of the 'Pay to Win' player rather than a skilled one.
Enchanted Arts are something which both a Donor and a Non Donor player can have the privilege to use in the game. Now if your concept of Balance says that you expect to see an even match between an Enchanted and Non Enchanted user, you sir have a problem with your concepts.
I could put up another foolish proposition as to "Go against a 1v1 without any set against a full set opponent and show me how balanced it was". No sense made. | The argument about "use full enchant rare set for GB" really made my day
Those arts are used for clan wars/ survilurgs now. GB? Come on guys, most serious players couldn't care less about it. If you want GB, here's mixed CG for you, much more balanced | question is how owning a full enchanted rare set, it depends on how player collecting gold( ofc donated players can use tones of diamond convert and buy it) but art renting allowed here which means anyone can get one and use it.
real pay to win game, do not allow it, i remember last one i tried, have 2 art slot which normal user cannot use, only donated one can get art and use that slot(powerful arts), result non of the tournament finalist or even semi or quarter finalist is a normal player. | | why is there so much complaining here :D if you dont like the game or find it boring now. then the simple answer is stop playing :P | Pay to Win is when you are allowed to buy better items or materials than everyone else at a faster rate/without grinding which are otherwise unobtainable by normal means
60 seconds against 80.000.000+ seconds.
I don't know... But it kind seems to be a couple years faster, might be just my impression.
Well, you're the one calling there isn't a pay to win.
Any heavy donator could easily play any Duel battle with full rare enchanted set 24/7, if you could beat that with shop arts, then you would prove your point, won't you?
Let's assume someone purchase 4.000 diamonds, which would give him/her 10 millions, that would be about 1.776 dollars.
I'm not a rich person and I make roughly 12k per month, so I could purchase about 46.000 diamonds per month, that's about 115 millions per month.
My question how much time do you think anybody could achieve 115kk without donations on this game? With enrrols, selling things on market, making avatar, leasing invetory and artefacts...
I can safely say that it would take way more than 10 years, for something that would take just 1 month for me, if I decided to donate all in.
Now, in our planet there's 7 billion of people, there's billionary people, certainly there's folks that earn more than me, or folks that might want to donate a higher amount than me, so for those folks, will be a certainly pay to win goal.
I'm buying DU at any time that I've a chance, I've hundreds of diamonds, and you know what I'm doing this? Because I want to win, simple like that, I'm paying to win, and I don't have a shame to admit, nor want to make up something extremely obviously like this. However I'm not buying 46k diamonds, I could, but I don't see any logic on that.
The argument about "use full enchant rare set for GB" really made my day
Those arts are used for clan wars/ survilurgs now. GB? Come on guys, most serious players couldn't care less about it. If you want GB, here's mixed CG for you, much more balanced
The argument I can't win on 1v1 so I will change the subject also made mine.
Go 1v1, take the battle and post here, simple like that, if you don't have anything to add however, I don't see the point of a blank argumentation, really.
It's simple, if you say there isn't a pay to win, then prove it, beat a heavy donator on 1v1, prove it. | It's simple, if you say there isn't a pay to win, then prove it, beat a heavy donator on 1v1, prove it.
normal player can be, what he do is contact a art set leaser, get same enchanted rare set for lease and face the heavy donator. (i am trying point out this thing , at least this game allow rent enchanted arts, whereas original pay to win game won't allow it) | for Angel of Death:
I don't know why you always go back to 1vs1 combats
if you really want to beat a person with rare enchanted sets then why don't you just borrow a rare set from someone?
so you don't exactly have to "pay" to win here(paying with game money of course) | I don't know why you always go back to 1vs1 combats
if you really want to beat a person with rare enchanted sets then why don't you just borrow a rare set from someone?
For 1 reason.
A non heavy donator won't be abled to afford a rare enchanted set for every single duel/gb fight that he/her participate, assuming this person does this kind of battles often. Yes, you're right the forces might become equally if that happens, however one person could count with that every battle, the other won't.
Also renting is quit more expensive than owning. But let's be honest here, any normal player shouldn't be thinking about purchasing a enchanted rare set anyways.
normal player can be, what he do is contact a art set leaser, get same enchanted rare set for lease and face the heavy donator. (i am trying point out this thing , at least this game allow rent enchanted arts, whereas original pay to win game won't allow it)
You're right, if rented a art he could become equal for a shoter duration, until this person burnout all his economy.
While the donator could keep wearing the same artefact indefinitely.
So, if there's a very powerful thing that would change the result of the battle, no matter what, and one person has a limited use while the other doesn't, eventually no competitors would stand a chance against.
Let me be clear that I'm saying for duel/GB battles only, CGs are pay to win proof or almost it. | | it is not a free entertainment game, admin team not running it for charity, you have to know it, this game is far better than other online pay to win games, at least it gives a chance to live normal players which other won't | Yes, I know it, it's perfectly normal and fine. I don't have any problem with that at all.
I'm merely saying that this isn't a completely not pay to win situation as some claimed to be some posts earlier than mine.
What this game might have, is a more fair economical system of donations than the most of other games, which is different. | Now it's clear that this whole game for Mr./Mrs. Angel of Death is 1 on 1 duel.
I am not sure of others, but I think we are not playing the same game. Or we have different definition of "pay to win" | | I guess the Ms. liuker like to give a show of ignorance based on his own theories, since there's no eviedence nor proof that support his claims. | | I'm not arguing with a 10 Year old. Cheers. | for Angel of Death:
There are many types of battles in the game that are way more important than "duel 1v1"
Events, ST, tournaments, WG, CG,... Tell me which one is "pay to win"?
You might want argue that HG and MG are, but let me tell you, 95% of players won't even reach the stage when enchants are needed for those battles. I am CL 15 now and I still use min ap for those battles.
You keep arguing on duel which nobody really cares, why? I choose to ignore because arguing on such trivial point will only make me look silly. | @Angel
Your point about the 1vs1 combats would only be valid if we were forced to do 1vs1 combats.
You are right about the fact that a donator could buy a rare set faster than a normal player, and.. THEN WHAT ?
No one really does normal duels nor cares about them. | our point about the 1vs1 combats would only be valid if we were forced to do 1vs1 combats.
You are right about the fact that a donator could buy a rare set faster than a normal player, and.. THEN WHAT ?
No one really does normal duels nor cares about them.
In a 3v3 or 2v2, which anybody is wearing such artefacts when nobody else is, will mostly likely result into a winning for the side of the wearing them.
for Angel of Death:
There are many types of battles in the game that are way more important than "duel 1v1"
Events, ST, tournaments, WG, CG,... Tell me which one is "pay to win"?
I believe I was clear when I said duel and GB only, I've repeat this 3 times now, you're smart enough to understand that I'm talking about Duel and GB specifically, you know the difference right?
You might want argue that HG and MG are, but let me tell you, 95% of players won't even reach the stage when enchants are needed for those battles. I am CL 15 now and I still use min ap for those battles.
Might be even more than 95%, since there isn't a data for this things, however I'll patientlly repeat that I'm talking about Duels and GBs, specifically.
I'm not arguing with a 10 Year old. Cheers.
Thanks for giving me a break. I hope the unexistent God bless your soul. | who even plays duels and gb with enchanted rare sets?
May I say a battle please? | So yeah: Donators have advantages in this game. If they are very rich, the advantages can get very high.
I have seen players at CL11 who have fsp like others don't have at level 14, only through buying chests. But these guys are pretty seldom, just hope you don't meet them in a minor tournament.
Unfair? Yeah, a bit, like capitalism is generally. But on the other hand: If people don't get advantages, they donate not that often. | who even plays duels and gb with enchanted rare sets?
May I say a battle please?
People who wants to win. You know... If peoples win the battles, they'll get more exp reward and the best fsp ratio, so they can level up quickly... It's not like rocket science, some people truly wants to reach higher levels, but not everyone is very good at this game, then what? However not every unskilled play does have money to spend, actually mostly of them doesn't have a dime.
I'll give you a hint why I can't provide what you've requested me.
Firstly I'm a camper, I never did a single duel/GB with this account. Secondly I rarely save the articles that I read, so expect me to save the battles from random people which mostly likely don't know what they're doing isn't exactly on my top list of things to store. However feel free to search or ask any one else. If your doubt reamins about the qualification of words, please, challenge anybody to wear a full rare enchanted set, preferably with DU, while you're wearing only shop arts, then post the link yourself, and let's share and acknowledge together.
I'll share the things that I've saw, like a single person winning a 3v1 for the same CL, with a rare enchanted set, like the person who was wearing the set earned 2 times more experience than the team mates in a 3v3... Take survilongs for instance, the AI wear full shop arts and based on your winning steak, their army can be pretty big, however with 1 sword and 1 bow, everything simply become cheese, since 50 shews can kill 100+ boars with a luck strike... Things like that, won't happen without enchant, and for survilong I'm not talking about rare sets, just enchants, which is weaker. |
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