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| ^^ Actually giving away (small) free FP happens everytime, but if 2 top players do that blatantly, a referee usually cant tolerate it because that will give wrong impression of the rules. | | before using the new law, admin must be inform all, but they didn't. Nobody knows about it until Kotrin used against some Top players. Everyone say .ru and .com are different except of law :) | for Mohini:
Like Ive told people before, twice, this isnt a new law. A lot of people has been fined for the EXACT SAME reason in the past. Myself, 2 monts ago, so please, get your facts straight before posting anything.
Giving away xp/fsp is an offense, those that dont understand that its giving xp to your enemy should review the goal of the game. You fight against an OPPONENT, not a practice battle against an ALLY.
So in term of real war : Its letting your enemy kill your soldier by 'compassion' ?
And in term of football : Its letting the other team score goal by 'compassion' ?
Nobody does that, so why would it be NORMAL to do so here ? | for Mohini:
5 months old is new? | Please...this is LordsWM, not a football/soccer game. Don't use football case to explain the rule. They are completely different.
Don't judge either Kusika or Kotrin. Both are 'correct' in their very own perspective, and both have their own 'mistake'. So, please respect them.
IMO, there is no point of having discussion about it now. The punishment has been given, and I don't think Kotrin will be able to take it back (even if he wants to). All of us already know the case, and we can have our own opinion but we can keep it for ourselves.
Kusika will always be a great player to me. Very few players in this server can beat him in a fight (including Kotrin of course ;p), and Kusika earn respect from many players. I really hope he will play again soon.
So, maybe we can relax a little bit and let this case sink. In the meantime, let's wait for the clan war. I will be very interested to see what happen with Warrior's Guild (or Wrath... or whatever) :)) | Please...this is LordsWM, not a football/soccer game. Don't use football case to explain the rule. They are completely different.
The rule was explained but it wasn't enough for some to understand about sportsmanship so football was used to show how bizarre it is to allow your opponent free points. Don't try and control the conversation. | | I am not trying to control the conversation. Just giving an opinion because this thread will not change anything. Everyone can have different opinion, and I don't think the football example can make it clearer. | I've been following this discussion with interest. So here's my two cents.
If Kotrin is correct about the rule, then it is a bad rule, and should be abolished.
I always consider these multiplayer games a mean to, among other objectives, make friends. And friends can have friendly battles. Staged battles are absolutely a no-no, but I see nothing wrong with the winner being a little nice to the loser.
What this rule is saying is that you're not allowed to be nice, and that when fighting battles, you have to be as cutthroat as possible, and generosity and mercy cannot be part of your vocabulary. That is just not how I envision this game community to be, not where I want this game to go. Yes, I've heard the argument about this rule being there to prevent clans from fighting internal battles and keeping fsp within their clans, but that's just not good enough to convince me of the necessity of this rule.
And since the rule is a bit hazy on this, if I were Kotrin or another Keeper, I would err on the side of niceness. I really think Kotrin made a bad call on this. That is unfortunate. | I am correct about the rule - and adamant about that.
Considering that a rule is bad and/or should be abolished can lead to interesting discussions, but my personal feelings towards a given rule can't guide my actions. Like I already said, what kind of Keeper would I be if I only enforced rules I like?
There are plenty of opportunities to socialize with fellow players in the game. Private messages, friends online, clans, chat, hunt assists, picture galleries, group battles. What kind of socialization did you expect from an Ambush, exactly?
And since the rule is a bit hazy on this, if I were Kotrin or another Keeper, I would err on the side of niceness. I really think Kotrin made a bad call on this. That is unfortunate.
My niceness was to give a warning. The real penalty should have been 5000. I can't prove it, but I'm almost sure Kusika would have left even for a 1-gold warning. He chose to react badly to the penalty, but that's his problem, not mine.
I'm not going to adjust rules based on susceptibility of rule breakers. | | BTW, Kusika did not leave the game. His Laborers' Guild skill level increases. | What kind of socialization did you expect from an Ambush, exactly?
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a good question that gives us the opportunity of a long disgression:
We have to start with the meaning of socialization and the roots of the word..
Just kidding :)
But look at this thread: it is at least the fifth on the same subject, all because of a silly thing.
Yes, a silly thing, guys it's a game!
We had football players, clubs, wars, and i dont know what else thrown in, soon hitler and Napoleon will pass by.. please, stop it.
There has been a person (a few people) doing something, somebody else came in and said "rules of this *game* ask you not to do it".
That is all, no need to go further.
Arguing continuously about the meaning of words, interpretation of sentences, and other politician-like stuff is really annoying.
And it makes the game boring..
A few days ago, i got a warning ban from pang, because he said i used too many caps in a post..
Dear!
Do I have to start a new thread asking to quantify the % amount of capitals in a post to be allowed?
Come on, let's breathe and relax..
Yes, the rule isn't really common knowledge, and the AtG pages should at least give a link to the keeper's clan page.
This is legitimate to ask to the secretary.
But on top of that, there hasn't really been a murder, has it?
Pride and judgements, leave them to real life.
And here stay to play, accept that you have some people that try to make the game playable for all, sometime pulling an ear when someone goes a little wild and, if for a time it is for the wrong reason, just make a note to whom it may concern (secretary) and pass to something else.
I don't know about you all, but i myself IRL have already plenty of things to discuss and trouble about, and when i come here it is mostly to have a pleasant time and relax..
No need to make a mountain of every pebble. | What kind of socialization did you expect from an Ambush, exactly?
Are you saying this rule applies only to ambushes? | Are you saying this rule applies only to ambushes?
Duh. No, I wasn't saying that. Please read the previous sentence as well. | For 63 & 64:
5 month older OK i agree. But unfortunately i am not able to see thous 5 month older law in general law section. they must updated it thee before using it. at lest they can put a link to that keepers clan (creating link is not a difficult task. | sorry for doable post:
above comment i am using a word general Law section, actually it is General Rule section in about game page. | Kusika 1
Kotrin -1
how 2 follow rules that 99% ppl dnt knw thy even exist! n btw vstoopid rule. comparing w other server dat besides core got lesser n lesser in common w tiz1 iz jst absurd! there iz no fsp effect yet implemented so there iz no logic of imposing such law! itz like taking taxes 4 future, bt nobdy knws hw long we ll live!!
n like dat im sure evrybdy in sm point didnt play perfect move so we must b punished?! i strongly disagree!! bt im 0.
[Player banned by moderator Kotrin until 2009-09-15 09:19:29 // ...You can disagree as much as you want, but AT LEAST write proper English, please. Warning.] | Frankly Speaking,
The First time I viewed the battle (I would say, "The so called controversial battle") of Kusika in which he got fined/warned.
I would say yeah he did give TI a chance and the whole stuff was done intentionally. But I'd rather call the intention for self benefit. As far as I know, at the end of the game the more troops you have lost, the more xp you get.
So, from the above statement I infer that Kusika did had an intention and the intention was to gain XP for HIMSELF. I think it then becomes the game rules problem if getting more troops of our own side not only gives us more XP but also gives the opponent Skill Points.
One more point was, that it could not have been a perfectly staged battle as it was a THEIF AMBUSH.
And yeah, I would call it a staged battle if Kusika would have lost. Eventually after the whole "So Called STAGED BATTLE" Kusika won. He did it for XP, and if it benefits his opponent, then that's like a gold plating on an aluminum watch. xD!
Prospective wise, Kusika did it for himself, but eventually came to be called as a staged matchup. So rule wise, yeah could be punishable offence.
That's my opinion on the whole crap that's going around causing soooooo much movement in the forums, as well as some negative/positive comments on the same.
So finally I would say
Kusika +1 x -1 = 0
Kotrin +1 x -1 = 0
LMAO! | #77: +1 x -1 = -1
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and rules are rules. As long as they apply to all then they are "fair" and others have also been fined for this so it is fair.
If you feel so strongly that someone has done this and got away with it then raise a post in CaA. | As far as I know, at the end of the game the more troops you have lost, the more xp you get.
So, from the above statement I infer that Kusika did had an intention and the intention was to gain XP for HIMSELF.
??? | @78
Thx for making me know I PHAIL at Maths! xD!
And agreed to you to. |
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