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This whole thing reminds me of a guy who initiated a breakup with his gf, purely coz of a difference in opinion.
quite on point actually...
but such breakups don't happen because of one single misunderstanding but is usually an accumulated sense of dissatisfaction to a point that one side decides enough is enough and chooses to end the relationship...
such a toxic breakup almost never comes back to an amicable make-up to each other and although It is very very sad i doubt that the rift will heal so easily since it has escalated to this point...
entire .com has split into three factions one behind each party and a third as an observer/unaffiliated party....
personally i see no end to this and cannot really think of a solution to this mess but i believe the third party which is independent of this incident can take the initiative to try and not add fuel to the flames but continue to try and deviate the attention from these arguments n verbal/oral fights ...
everybody has the right to post their opinion in a forum post but minimizing any extra spikes in an open forum would slowly let the whole thing cool down i hope...
besides an argument always happens with two sides not that i am advocating one-sided bashing but yeah... i know its hopeless for both sides to jz keep quiet so jz bash it out and get over it... | Me and I'm sure 90% of .com playes are tired of next complaining and crying posts about how bad is Jedi his clan policy.
Totally agree. No clan can accomodate to every single player's demands. It's normal for those who don't agree with the clan policy to leave. But please stop criticizing/bashing your previous clan and clan leader in the open forum anymore. People are getting tired of hearing it. | I'm sure 90% of .com playes are tired of next complaining and crying posts about how bad is Jedi his clan policy
and below one is also interesting, think gives me right to type a few..
I think AK members need to chill
to start with, I dont read forums too much. I will talk based on a fast (real fast) read on both forums lately and discussions in our own skype chat.
seen Jedi evicting Kat, meshy's GF. why its soo much a big deal never understood. Kat was quite inactive player for clans defenses, rarely talks in A&D skype chat. After meshy leave A&D, keeping her in clan is totaly meaningless. her eviction could easily be chalked up to those many evicted before for prolonged inactivity ( no defense participation). But, as jedi confesses at post 1-2, there are some more reasons. also agree, that post closed by meshy a bit fast. hence we got this 1, thx opening it Sir !!
how Jedi runs his own clan is not our business. He decides the policy and implements. Good or bad, only reaction players can give is to stay in that clan or not. Some experienced players (well to be fair, A LOT more experienced than those frequently comment in forums) decided to leave A&D. We are VERY happy where we are now, quite busy with various fight options.
enough with devils advocate.
I was in A&D for a long time, some of those in A&D's so called management group. "except 1-2 rare incidents" that group does nothing other than "eventually" accept jedi's decisions, even though we feel they are not correct. Jedi is very good with words, diplomacy skill beyond description.. But he is a very "boring" military clan leader. for the sake of keeping his clan undamaged (staying out of wars) his management style stole YEARS of "possible" fun from my LIFE. for that I will never forgive... MYSELF.. since staying that long in his clan was my (poor) decision.
While you know a little more than others, don't over-sell yourself.. please.
Meshy was SK for 6 months but also herald for a year. He was like 3rd best man ( well 4th if count seldom online deputy) . Meshy spent a lot of his personal time for A&D.. Im sure he regrets deeply :d
from now on, for any1 who ask me, I will say go to another military clan if you want fun from game. Especially after leader of clan decides to use so called "hidden files" against those left him.. he must be desperate. so low.. | | Sooooooo where is the interview ?? | I think AK members need to chill
I wonder why are we all placed into "groups"? Can't we have friends everywhere? I certainly have many in A&D. And could certainly have invitations from other MCs other than AK.
I will, though, speak only as a founding member of A&D.
As I've written in my public open letter in OGF, shortly after I left A&D, I did so because the clan no longer tries to fulfill its Clan Goals (published in Clan Profile).
I had 2 choices: stay and fight Jedi; or leave, and leave the clan to his ruling. I chose the latter.
This doesn't, of course, mean that 7 years of devotion to A&D can just be swept under the rug. I disliked the way the clan was run in the last year; I disliked the goals we were (not) pursuing.
I would expect, as someone who has given so much to A&D, to have this opinion of mine respected. Is it considered an attack? If so, not on A&D: only on Jedi's leadership.
I don't expect, or admit, to be silenced. But if Jedi wants to come and respond, then know that it's him personally, not A&D, who comes.
A&D was a beacon of light when all .com MCs were either crumbling, or without facilities. So it did make sense to have a defensive stance for some time. But times changed. Failure to adapt/evolve made me leave. I'm now cool with that. A&D's current gameplay suits many, which is a good thing. So "chill".
I wish the best to A&D, and I'm also tired of all this animosity. But I do leave one piece of advice: it would much better suit A&D to lose its delusions of grandeur, and accept its reality as just a normal MC. Certainly better than others, certainly worse than others. To know your place, you must find it first.
Godspeed. | Sooooooo where is the interview ??
I am proud of you :) You embody the true EFL spirit xD | As they say, "Happiness is Bliss".)))
It is "Ignorance is Bliss", and let me tell you, I'm so exuberantly happy! Half an hour ago I had no idea of all this vitriol pouring down the forum.
I didn't read/listen the interview - and I ain't gonna do it either. [I value my happiness]
Here is the deal, on every ship there is one captain. Only one captain. End of story.
As my old friend Selfist mentioned, you don't like the way the ship sails, skip ship.
But throwing a tantrum and soiling the ship is not appreciated. Why? Just because your opinions are not followed? There is a captain. [You little kittens have a wrong idea of what democracy means]
Skip ship and sail or rosier shores.
This clan's politics and play style suits me. Not everybody has 25 hours per day to play games. For that reason, I've seen so many of my old friends going to other clans because they have a different play style that suits them more. All of them are amazing people I still keep in touch with.
Well, almost all of them are amazing. Except VV... he is just... well, just OK. Almost OK... most of the time he's almost OK. When it snows. In the month of August... in Texas... | | i have been reading all of this and im just feel sick how people try to make others look bad , is this game some gossip game ? Go fight , do whatever you are here to do , leave others alone with they things, but why u need all of this bad talk ? i do like people from different clans , does it mater u are russian , english, polish or spanish , Or are u AD member or Ak member ? | There is a captain. You little kittens have a wrong idea of what democracy means
You are probably right :D
But some kittens like to jump around, live in their own world and create their own utopia :D They don't like the idea of a home where they have fixed bedtime hours and regulated cuddling sessions. They want to make mistakes. They want to experience the colorful world around them. They just want their mommy to say "it's okay" when they fall down. The kittens get really sad when they are asked to follow rules. They are not scared of the very real dangers around them. They don't know what their own limits are. They are youthful, believe they can tame these ugly weird humanoid walking cylinders around them and bring forth the era of catopia! | | Living in a dream... although not reality. | As they say, "Happiness is Bliss".)))
It is "Ignorance is Bliss",
Lol I don't know why I said it wrong, maybe typing fast, didn't realise))
Thx for correction btw. | You'd freak out how "Some" are "Judging" me for not migrating into EFL ASAP Lol, honestly. Like "By staying in AnD, you are Tolerating/SUPPORTING this.", LOL!
I take these words back, the rest of the post remains. | I didn't listen to the interview and absolutely don't care about it, so I don't know if Meshy really said anything bad.
But let me remind you all: Military clans are here in this game to have FUN, not to divide the community. It doesn't matter in which MC you and your friends are. You can still be friends with each other, regardless the icon next to your character name.
Every leader can lead his clan exactly the way he wants. He is not accountable to anyone. On the other hand, you are free to chose the MC you like the most. That's completely your decision.
It's only natural that not all get along with everyone. That always happens when many ppl comunicate with each other and that's perfectly fine. It also happens to me from time to time that I dislike a particular person, though as a moderator my actions must always be completely impartial.
Still I think it's usually not good to bring interpersonal quarrels to public. It's often better to try to solve the conflict in private (maybe with the help of a neutral party) or to simply avoid each other.
On a side note: good job to all for staying civil despite the hot discussion! It's good I didn't have to paint anything in red. =) | Every leader can lead his clan exactly the way he wants. He is not accountable to anyone
I beg to differ. I joined A&D under promises that were broken.
If my views are attacks; well, then, the current leadership of A&D is an attack to its founders, so to me too.
Is A&D getting back to its Clans Goals?
Is A&D being honest and changing them?
And more troublesome: are the words "A&D" and "Jedi" now interchangeable? | Every leader can lead his clan exactly the way he wants. He is not accountable to anyone
Sure that doesn't mean it's the best thing to do. And if the leadership is not good enough, ppl will leave in the long run and find another MC which suits them better. Still a leader can invite and evict whoever he wants. By the rules he is kind of the "owner" of the clan.
Is A&D getting back to its Clans Goals?
Is A&D being honest and changing them?
Those are internal A&D matters that clan members should discuss directly with Jedi or in the A&D clan chat or forum thread. | I joined A&D under promises that were broken.
If my views are attacks; well, then, the current leadership of A&D is an attack to its founders, so to me too.
Is A&D getting back to its Clans Goals?
Is A&D being honest and changing them?
And more troublesome: are the words "A&D" and "Jedi" now interchangeable?
for Lord Syrian:
To spell your greatest trouble away: no, A&D and Jedi is not interchangeable. Jedi is, however, the leader of the clan.
Most importantly though: Public forum is not the place to discuss your questions.
If you or whoever thinks this is something worth discussing, discuss it with clan leader, personally, or with the leadership council, or as last last last resort, discuss it with the clan, inside the clan. Definitely not soiling on public forum.
Once you have been heard, it has been discussed, and decisions taken, whether you agree or not, that's that. Public forum is still not the place for anyone to vent their frustration against a clan/clan leader, in virtue of some abstract idealistic, fantastic "goals". Whatever reason.
Founding fathers of war proclaimed one should never fight at night. It is not honorable to not let your enemy see you coming... Times change. Goals change. Politics change. One needs to navigate according to real conditions and circumstances, not in virtue of some principles set out in the dawn of time. | Look: the trees exist; the houses
we dwell in stand there stalwartly.
Only we
pass by it all, like a rush of air.
And everything conspires to keep quiet
about us,
half out of shame perhaps, half out of
some secret hope.
Rilke | @Navi
Since you went to spoil my Open Letter with pointless comments, I'll give you a more thorough response. You're apparently in need.
A&D and Jedi is not interchangeable
At the moment, yes it is.
Jedi is, however, the leader of the clan.
Agreed.
Public forum is not the place to discuss your questions.
I don't have any questions.
If you or whoever thinks this is something worth discussing, discuss it with clan leader, personally
I did it; to me, it's topic closed.
Once you have been heard, it has been discussed, and decisions taken, whether you agree or not, that's that.
Agreed.
in virtue of some abstract idealistic, fantastic "goals"
Wow! Calm down your horses, dear Sir. The A&D I fought for for 7 years made many "idealistic" and "fantastic" goals a reality. We stopped aiming at those about 1 year ago. As you wisely pointed out, Jedi is the Leader. I'm out. (but do change the Clan Profile, it's not only an insult to A&D Founders, it's also deceiving every possible recruit).
Founding fathers of war proclaimed one should never fight at night. It is not honorable to not let your enemy see you coming... Times change. Goals change. Politics change. One needs to navigate according to real conditions and circumstances, not in virtue of some principles set out in the dawn of time.
Tell that to Jedi. | Not everybody has 25 hours per day to play games. For that reason, I've seen so many of my old friends going to other clans because they have a different play style that suits them more. All of them are amazing people I still keep in touch with.
Well, almost all of them are amazing. Except VV... he is just... well, just OK. Almost OK... most of the time he's almost OK. When it snows. In the month of August... in Texas...
well forgive me for not blowing your mind away with my amazingness :p | for Lord Syrian:
spoil my Open Letter with pointless comments
My comments were highly relevant. Please double check.
I don't have any questions.
Please review your post #34.
Calm down your horses, dear Sir
It's not me lambasting on the forum, insulting or demeaning anyone.
but do change the Clan Profile
So all this forum trashing is because of what is written on A&D Clan Profile? You have less chance of achieving that by leaving, slamming the door, and throwing trash in the clan.
Now, have you ever heard of Democratic People's Republic of Korea. If you want to right something you may perceive as wrong, why not start with real live things.
for virtual_vitrea:
:) :) |
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