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5. When an opponent has less than 25 resources: When he has 15 of each resource and have thrown away a card, you can assume that (most if not all) of his cards have higher values than 15.
Most players never throw out a card they can play instantly just to save resources for something higher, just cant resist(it seems sometimes is better to throw away even some +1 monastery card to save mana for tower). Thats how you can expect a card that comes next(there are not much cards between 15 and 25) and attack his resource.
With many players you can expect a card between "resources" and "resources + gain per turn" interval. | Hmmm.. interesting thread.
Ok, gonna reply once coz I foresee this going back and forth.. till forever.
1.for moki-:
he started spreading these lies about me
Which part of anything I said showed that I accuse you of anything? And before you even start to answer, can you kindly tell everyone here whether you called me a cheat (exact word used. I have proof)? Is that a truth with proof or a lie? Kindly not have double standards, that would make you a hypocrite. Thanks.
2. for Omega22:
I'll repeat what I replied to you in PM - If you think there's a possibility that 2 players are teaming in GB, and a friend of yours keeps joining their battles and losing, wouldn't you tell them of your suspicion too? I'm pretty sure you will.
Calling someone a cheat (like moki did to me) and warning friends of the POSSIBILITY that something 'unethical' is going on is 2 completely different thing. The decision to believe or not is up to them.
Since you are in the topic of accusation. Do you not admit that you have in the space of a few PMs, accused me of a tons of things? You as a mod should know and behave better, no? Did you or did you not accused me of things I did not do or say? Double standards? Whatever happened to leading by example?
3. As for those who think it's impossible to cheat in a card game in a friendly game site, then read these -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokwiro_Enterprises
http://absolutepokerscam.blogspot.com/
http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/ultimate-bet-cheating-scandal-statement-released-278230/
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3752500&page=1
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26563848/
http://blog.ultimatebet.com/2009/09/comments-cheating-scandal-kgcs-decision/
While I'm not saying this is happening here, it's POSSIBLE to cheat in a card game. If it can happen to one of the top gambling card sites in the world, with it's ultra security features, there's always a possibility it can happen anywhere.
Most of us earn gold the hard way. You all decide how you want to spend it. The choice is ultimately yours. I, or anyone else, don't make the decision for you. It's each individual's decision.
Anyway, there are much bigger things in real life to worry about than what's being said in a virtual world. And I got a feeling this will become a tit-for-tat, so I'll try very hard not to respond to any more comments.
Thanks. | You as a mod should know and behave better, no? Did you or did you not accused me of things I did not do or say?
Please keep your mod card to yourself.
Did you contact multiple players about moki trying to convince them not to play with him because of your suspicions?
he would send messages to everyone who played me for high stakes (including qulows, one of my clanmates) in order to warn them that "he had heard" that i use a script!!
What you see as warning about your suspicions I see like a deliberate attempt to harm honest players with your slander. | Whatever happened to leading by example?
I am not a mod, I am a sage. But I have a duty to work for the better of this community. Such malicious rumours spread like fire, cause frustration among players and cause harm to the community of card players. Therefore it is my duty to discuss, disprove such rumours OR if they have been proven true, contact administration to deal with these players. | Did you contact multiple players about moki trying to convince them not to play with him because of your suspicions?
I did send out some mails to friends, but it's was not to 'convince' them. They are all adults, with minds of their own, like you. They can make their own decision. Which part of "Not implying anything... ..To play with him or not, it's up to you." do you not understand?
What you see as warning about your suspicions I see like a deliberate attempt to harm honest players with your slander.
That's your opinion, and I respect it. Maybe you can do the same with others' opinion.
And btw, did you conveniently forgot to answer my question on whether you made unsubstantiated accusations at me in your PMs? Not hard you know - Just 'yes' or 'no'. :) | | Great another flaming topic can t you people keep this in pms or talk about this with admins? | And before you even start to answer, can you kindly tell everyone here whether you called me a cheat (exact word used. I have proof)?
you are without doubt referring to this card game: https://www.lordswm.com/cgame.php?gameid=49058227
i was playing a few games with QuaDoom, here is a conversation from one:
QuaDoom : Can you imagine how lucky you are?
moki- : lol
moki- : you start with 5 mon
moki- : and i'm lucky..
QuaDoom : And you stole it!!!!!!!
QuaDoom : I becamo to hate you, mate :-(
moki- : :( don't p[lay me more then
moki- : you'll end up calling me a cheat like jedi knight ;[
an hour or so later this happened; the transcript which jedi is calling his evidence:
QuaDoom : Jedi just have won me :-(((((
moki- : :(
moki- : he cheat ;)
QuaDoom : So I've lost about 21K today!
moki- : lol which is about 0.02 % of your worth
moki- : you'll live
QuaDoom : Hate this bloody game :-(
*Jedi-Knight : careful what u say...
moki- : lol what you gonna do?
*Jedi-Knight : oh? ok.
*Jedi-Knight : we'll see
QuaDoom : I want to take a revenge.
moki- : cheater
moki- : begone
*Jedi-Knight : look at my game logs and yours
*Jedi-Knight : since u started it
*Jedi-Knight : and i ahve not even said it to anyone
*Jedi-Knight : and was even helping you
*Jedi-Knight : ok
moki- : yeah i liked you til you accused me because you lost a few games
*Jedi-Knight : let's see how many more players will play high stakes game with u
*Jedi-Knight : i ACCUSED you?
moki- : not many do but anyway i can nrly aford tgi now so i don't need to pla
moki- : yeah you did
*Jedi-Knight : show me the mail where i ACCUSE you
moki- : 905 sure you use a script you said
moki- : 90%
*Jedi-Knight : and you understand 90%?
*Jedi-Knight : or u not that proficient in your english language?
moki- : lol so you 10% didnt accuse :)
*Jedi-Knight : whatever
*Jedi-Knight : u know it, and i know it
*Jedi-Knight : qua, the choice is yours
*Jedi-Knight : go look at his logs
*Jedi-Knight : and the way he plays
moki- : :D
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it's infact the most damning bit of evidence against him..
"*Jedi-Knight : let's see how many more players will play high stakes game with u"
shows his intent was not to warn people but to victimise me. | Which part of anything I said showed that I accuse you of anything?
# Date: 2010-05-09 04:34:50
# From: Jedi-Knight
# To: moki-
# Subject: last 5 games,
ALL you start, and every game you just have the right tower card to just get to 50? Coincidence?
# Date: 2010-05-09 05:06:29
# From: Jedi-Knight
# To: moki-
# Subject:
90% sure you are using a script. But be warned, players, players have be blocked for such things. Those 100k, take it as a gift to you and me stooopid enough to give you advise before. No more games with you.
# Date: 2010-05-09 05:09:15
# From: moki-
# To: Jedi-Knight
# Subject: Re:
well, i don't know how i can convince you that i don't cheat
you think that the game itself cheats so i expect i'd be wasting my time
i was smiling a lot because i was enjoying the games, you shouldn't bet what you'e not prepared to lose ..
btw the 1 game you did win in the last batch, i also could have won, had i not had a lapse of concentration and let you finish ..
finally overall i doubt i'm more than 70k up vs you since you've beaten me a lot in the past
it's a shame you accuse me though because i genuinely don't cheat and don't even think it's possible to cheat on cards..
# Date: 2010-05-09 05:17:53
# From: Jedi-Knight
# To: moki-
# Subject: Re(2):
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TRUST me, there are scripts available. I have people sent me the scripts, and I tested it. It allows the player to see the other players cares. Not that hard to write. I reported that player, and he got blocked.
So don't tell me it's impossible to cheat in this game. If there are scripts written for the good of this game, there will be scripts written for the personal benefit of others.
I already suspects others of using such scripts, and have stopped playing with them. I have played close to 4000 games, I KNOW how the random program works. Sometimes, you get good cards, and sometimes, you get streaks where u get lousy cards. That's cool with me, no problem. I bet, I'm prepared to lose. But not when someone else is having an unfair advantage, or at least I feel that way.
It's 1 thing to be good, it's 1 thing to have the program give you good cards, BUT there's no way you could have played certain cards without...
PS: btw, go look thru' the mails I sent you. WHERE did I say you cheated..?? | # Date: 2010-05-09 05:21:15
# From: moki-
# To: Jedi-Knight
# Subject: Re(3):
well, i have never for such program or been sent it
i just play as well as i can with the cards i get --- when it seems i got best card at right time probably i saved it anticipating the right time, that's why i have the exact amount to use it ..
i know why you say i wouldn't hav eplayed the way i did unless i could see your cards, that one where i left my wall at 0 for ages -- truth is i had no choice but to rely on you not having green cards, and i got lucky that you didn't have them, that's it
i just play in an advanced way, there's nothing impossible about what i do in cards.. i don't have an unfair advantaqe.
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depite my attempts to convince you that i don't cheat you went on to spread this lie.
i have proof of that too but you have openly admitted it. | 3. As for those who think it's impossible to cheat in a card game in a friendly game site, then read these -
Sure I have read few of those. Internal job when member of staff tells player about other player`s cards when thousands of dollars are at stake.. So either moki has an admin behind his back telling him what to do(well thats..) or have been able to hack the server itself or has a password of each and every player he plays cards with. | for moki-:
So... so I say again - where and when did I called you a cheat? That you are for sure using an illegal script? Now tell me if you called me a cheat. No 2 ways about your implications, no 'ifs', no 'buts' - You just categorically called me a cheat. So according to the words of Omega, isn't that "slander and lies".. or you have proof?
Why is it that for some people, when they feel that something is unjustly done to them, they go ****, but when they do the exact same thing to others, they conveniently forget.. If it's so 'bad' according to them, why do it to others?
Anyway, this is getting to be a flaming trade, and really getting nowhere. I respect all opinions posted, and hope some here will do likewise. | Jedi-Knight, I've looked at all the articles that you referred to in Post # 22.
In *all* of the articles you linked to, it was an "inside job". In other words people with inside access to the code that ran the game. It wouldn;t be possible for any but the most skillful hacker or, in fact, a hacking team to do anything like that. And let's face it, someone who could do that could probably make millions hacking more relevant sites than LWM.
I suspect that if someone had such "inside access" to the LWM code it would be easier to just add a few thousand diamonds to your own account, or maybe a few hundred K's to your bank balance, rather than the rather time-consuming method of watching and changing the cards an opponent gets in the Two Towers game.
It would also increase your chances of being caught, since players could be alerted to the player winning far more than he/she should (I imagine a win rate of less than 90+% would hardly be worth it). Quietly adding a few thousand Diamonds would be much subtler and less prone to be noticed.
And why limit it to just Omega22? Surely if Omega22 is an obvious hacker to get such good results, then StorminMerlin would also have to be a Hacker of similar skill. And there would likely have to be several others. Is this really a more likely scenario than someone who has just played the game long enough and well enough to be really good?
Grunge | Omega22,
You still have not answered the question.. Did you not made unsubstantiated accusations against me, in your own words and context, with 'slander and lies'? Or in your mind, your accusations is OK, while other people's are not? | And why limit it to just Omega22? Surely if Omega22 is an obvious hacker to get such good results,....
Ermm... I have NEVER said a word to anyone regarding Omega22. I got noooo idea who made that up, and also the reason I told Omega22 he's accusing me, or in Omega22's own words - All 'slander and lies', the very thing he's preaching about. | So... so I say again - where and when did I called you a cheat?
you didn't, you 90% called me a cheat - but this isn't the issue and you know it. the issue is of spreading false rumours.
they do the exact same thing to others, they conveniently forget.. If it's so 'bad' according to them, why do it to others?
i was being sarcastic and i was joking, you know this. the guy i said it too knows this.
your argument is straw-man and i don't want to speak with you on this - talk for yourself, not to me. | Very well. Let's try this again.
Jedi-Knight, which do you think is more likely -
1 - That there are several players who are hacking the game simply to get good results at Two Towers.
2 - Or that there are several players who are better at the Two Towers games than most other people and get a good result due to superior gameplay and knowledge.
I know which one I think is true. How about you?
Grunge | for moki-:
I can respond in the exact same words in your post #35. I can say I was being sarcastic and i was joking, you know this. Your argument is.., but guess for you, it can only apply one way. So let it be. | You still have not answered the question..
I did but I can repeat myself: Yes, I accused you of deliberately harming reputation of moki, me and probably other players. Directly or indirectly, it doesnt matter now. Its a cause and effect and there is no way for a honest player to defend against such behaviour. Warning a few friends..thats rich.
I discussed it in pm because it is something that concerns only us. But the fact that this empty rumour lives on and spreads is something that should interest whole community and either be proven or disproved. | #36.
My answer is 2, but there's always the possibility that 1 is possible, no matter how remote the chance is.
The fact of the matter is, both have PMed me to ask me to play them in cards/why I don't play them in cards, and I told Omega22 that there are 5 players which I think are very good and I don't wanna risk my hard-earned gold playing with them coz their chance of winning is higher. No way did I implied to Omega22 that I think he was using an illegal script. Go verify with him. I can go search thru' my tons of mails and try to dig out the correspondences we had. This was like an eternity ago.
All I did was send some mails to some players I know here to share the POSSIBILITY that some players may be using some illegal scripts, I didn't categorically said they do, and asked/convinced them not to play with any said player. I said the choice was up to them, which I mentioned very clearly. :) | #38.
Come on, you know it, and I know it, that this isn't true.
You knew about my correspondence with moki longer than today. The only reason you brought it up today was coz for some reasons unknown to me, you have been accused of something you didn't do. So in your own words, it gets you 'boiling'. So what did you do? - You went and accused someone of something he didn't do(!) Go figure that one out. |
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