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| http://daily.heroeswm.ru/newscom.php?i=Donate_-_yes_or_no_eng | | why are never our opinions asked :/ | I hear many people say "Wtf how could you spend money in a game?" (Sorry for vulgarity Btw), but if you pay attention to the amount of money you spend in daily things such as tobacco, hanging out or whatever, you would freak out even more.
People spend money in entertaining, and videogames are a way of entertaining, I dont see the problem/issue/dillemma/controversy here.
I havent donated yet because I cant afford it, but I ve been thinking for a long while to so when I can.
Death Proclaimers and Heralds are too enticing. :p
It’s impossible for me (otherwise I have to play for the one faction or enter codes all the time practically without combats and then the game loses its attraction).
I think this summarizes very well the thoughts of many players.
Yes, I could not play any kind of battle for days and gather a big amount of gold, but it goes against the fun and the logic of games.
Yes, in many games you have to "Farm", but games are to be played. :P
of those surveyed, 35% players don’t donate
I dont believe this at all sorry Btw... XD
But very nice read, I liked this article Tbh, thx for translation. | for Mycroft:
I think because english speaking people don't conduct surveyes :D | | Interesting article to read.. | for Dorck1:
well, how do we go about it | for Mycroft:
I wanted to say about russians...
They don't know english that's why you are not asked :(
In most cases these articles are made for russians about russians, and i think that it's a problem because our servers are closely connected. | | [Post deleted by moderator Arcanide // Off topic] | Great article. I enjoyed reading the comments. It tells us what people think about the issue.
but thats just unfair, we are a minority but we are there and imo ratio of good to bad players is better for us so representation would be good for us, or you guys could just employ somebody from us to do the work here
good to bad players, really? Even if that is true its irrelevant here. | good survey.
fair points | If I would be asked on survey I would say
• Gold is quickly spent; no its not if you are not addicted to roulette
• You can’t get enough money in LG; nope. you can get more tan enought
• The thief invitation is rather cheaper through donate, plus you can buy early up and potions; That's right. I bought mine before merge for euros wjen it was 1 eur = i diamond. Of course atm it's not so significant difference between merge when tgi was 1kk+
• The desire to help the project; Maybe. I like this project. Its fun and interesting and
it can keep player for a long time
• The exiting promotions with the artifacts; Yes I'm buying diamonds mostly when its promotion for extra % of diamonds or art.
• To change the sex; that's ridiculous
• To change the nickname; no
• To buy a new UCIs; 100% true. saving for it. Currently have almost 700 diamonds
• The mount with antithief and sometimes for the Abu-Bakir's Charm; antithief is not neccesary. never used ABC.
• Clan’s needs (Depository) Gold from enrolment can cover it. | The mount with antithief and sometimes for the Abu-Bakir's Charm; antithief is not neccesary. never used ABC.
Back when I was pretty active, I used the 2 diamond mount | • To change the sex; that's ridiculous
• To change the nickname; no
Now you speak for every human who ever donates for this game? So mightly.
• Gold is quickly spent; no its not if you are not addicted to roulette
Arbitrary and completely personal opinion based input.
• You can’t get enough money in LG; nope. you can get more tan enought
Again, arbitrary and built on your own playstyle perhaps? Just a few examples:
- Not possible to build every castle without campign before CL 18, and even so... It might take a while.
- Not possible to acquire estates and upgrade it, unless you've programmed yourself for a quite some time early.
- Not possible to acquire rare sets without some preparation in advance as well.
- Not possible to play any kind of battles with enchanted gear.
- Not possible to participate in CG battle as often someone is online, since the cost per battle would be greater than the income from enrrols.
- For some people, it's not even possible to pariticipate on every event that is released.
The key factor for the last ones is all about how often you battle and how much is being save for the future.
• To buy a new UCIs; 100% true. saving for it. Currently have almost 700 diamonds
While UCI is a wanted cosmetic and it does sells, not everybody is willing to spend so much for it. Alright you can name the hundrends of players who bought them, but can you also name the thousands who decided not to?
It's an factor for donation, sure it's, but not the only as you tried to sound like it's.
• The mount with antithief and sometimes for the Abu-Bakir's Charm; antithief is not neccesary. never used ABC.
So by 'not necessary' are you saying that it has no utility whatsoever on this game, and nobody would ever care if it was removed? I don't think so. Once again, you're inputing your own playstyle as some source of unique viable way of thinking/doing things. | Lately I noticed that "Lords of War and MONEY" is called like this for a reason.
Yes, you can do quite well without Donating, but it involves Enrolling for days without playing.
Playing 2 CG Battles in a row has the cost of like 10 Enrolls.
The key factor is all about how often you battle and how much is being save for the future. | | You could play the markets too, buying cheap items and them selling them on.. | I agree that all I wrote was Arbitrary and completely personal opinion based input. Couse on first line of the post I wrote 'If I would be asked on survey I would say'
So it was my personal opinion.
• You can’t get enough money in LG; nope. you can get more tan enought
Again, arbitrary and built on your own playstyle perhaps? Just a few examples:
- Not possible to build every castle without campign before CL 18, and even so... It might take a while.
For castle upgrades I spend diamonds. Usually on CL18 may have 20000 points on enrollment which can give around 8kk of gold. One castle without upgrades is about 500k. so its roughtly 4.5kk for all castles. Of course I would spend diamonds for upgrades. 230 diamonds per castle is about 2k of diamonds. Of course you don't need loads of upgrades like sentries, recruits, zombies, centaurs ect on CL18.
- Not possible to acquire estates and upgrade it, unless you've programmed yourself for a quite some time early.
Im not intrested in estates
- Not possible to acquire rare sets without some preparation in advance as well.
for rare sets I prepared in advance
- Not possible to play any kind of battles with enchanted gear.
I don't need to play all battles with enchanted gear. Some enchants on survilurgs and thats it. Most pvp/pve needs standart shop arts.
- Not possible to participate in CG battle as often someone is online, since the cost per battle would be greater than the income from enrrols.
I agree with that but if you know how to manage you income/expences CG battles doesn't drain significant amount of gold
- For some people, it's not even possible to pariticipate on every event that is released.
For some yes. But that was just my personal opinion. I'm not talking about everyone.
About mount it costs to much unless you are really hyper active players. Spending one diamond per week for unicorn gives a descent movement increase. For all other players who spend about 2-3 hours per day these benefits for 50k gold per month unlikely pays off. But its just my personal point of view and I'm not telling that everyone has same opinion as me. I just never changed diamonds for gold and its enought gold from enroling for me :) | Now you speak for every human who ever donates for this game? So mightly.Arbitrary and completely personal opinion based input.
Of course it's a personal opinion! Whoever said he was speaking for the all the people who donate to the game. He is entitled to say how he might respond to the survey. No need to attack him! Of course players are going to have differing opinions - That's the whole point of the article - to survey the spectrum of views around donations.
Yes, you can do quite well without Donating, but it involves Enrolling for days without playing.
It depends on what type of combats you want to do I suppose. If you want to do WG battles everyday and survilurg battles - Then I think that is not a great combination (although a large portion of the actual battle cost is covered anyway). I think battle load should be managed to include some min ap MG quests as an alternative way of making money to enrolling. Managing gold has always been a difficulty for some players and I think it has been made a little bit more difficult by the rise of the full ap required battles. | I got carried away, apologies.
About mount it costs to much unless you are really hyper active players. Spending one diamond per week for unicorn gives a descent movement increase. For all other players who spend about 2-3 hours per day these benefits for 50k gold per month unlikely pays off. But its just my personal point of view and I'm not telling that everyone has same opinion as me. I just never changed diamonds for gold and its enought gold from enroling for me :)
Well, besides all the advantages from ABC (more LG points, more fsp, faster hg/mg, possibility to switch wg challanges, etc.)
Talking about mounts objectively (ABC or not), it is likely that if someone fight 3 - 4 MGs a day and sell all elements, might end with an even gold balance. Surely it's luck based on if an element will drop which it would be, but overall this ratio seems fair imo. Surely more battles per day, means more elements drop as result, which could turn into an actually profit.
MGs can be done without mount? Yes they can, but it would translate into less overall attempts/battles a day, so less elements obtained overall. Plus the time for traveling could be unbearable for some players. Also the map movement speed bonuses would allow to quickly reach enroling area of 210 - 215, without having to purchase it from the facility and having the trouble to sell on the market.
All in all, for moderate active players that are doing MG or needs for range guild, it's doable and could be turned into a profit. Well, I am not advocating mounts as some source of 'must have, always,' I am merely briging another pespective from players that would find mounts userful to have, surely arguments about how irrelevant they are could be made as well. I would prefer if there was an option for a permanent purchase instead of monthly/weekly, but unfortunely the playerbase doesn't seems to care enough about this. | Not possible to build every castle without campign before CL 18
Why do you want to build all castles before CL18? You'll be far above CL 18 if you can play all factions to a decent level, say faction lvl 10. You have plenty of time and gold to build castles one by one while you're leveling up to CL 21. | because 18 is not an "arbitrary" number he made up despite him trying to shame another guy on the same basis in one post.
Anyway, i can agree with the idea of purchasing mounts for MG. The waiting time is definitely unbearable once you get a feel of the mount. I can understand that perhaps the intention is to keep it as an inexpensive luxury item but still it remains very beneficial because of the remarkable disparity in time to slay that namesake monster.
Permanent mounts? WHAT! I call bullshit. You only have to purchase it whenever the mount expires and that is once in a 7 day period. Tell me one scenario how you find that inconvenient besides waiting in hope for a semi-ridiculous yet justified price for a permanent mount (if it remains a luxury item). |
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