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I've made several duels as low level demon in min AP, but failed to win most. Knights have overall tougher units; griffins or swords are better than demons or hounds; as usual, sucs are quite useless and merely a decay. Against elves, well, no chance at lvl 5; each druid kills 1 succ, so that just leaves 2 stacks VS the whole elven army. Well, it's been a while since I did not fought the other factions, I don't remember much about them. Still, here's an exemple of one of my fails against knight:
www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=33813779
I would be curious to know if some of you could have some advices; I feel that no matter what I do, I'm bound to loose if not for full art fights. Oh, yeah, and please don't talk about imps, unless you're really convincing. In min AP, they kinda die in 1 shot, so they're quite a waste if you ask me. | battle vs elf in level 5, elf win easily with demon
about your battle with knightone thing for sure, u killed succubi easily.
and imps not a help, but spawns will be. demon is very weak and slow. another thing is with big stack (e.g wolf) gate at the first turn near your troops, later u will be able to attack altogether, not seperately. gate with small stacks to block the rangers. | | and try to gate as much as small stack possible. they really help for retal taking. instead of 1 imps, if you have 2-3 imps, they can gate and create lots of retal takers. | | and more, kill griff quickly. even by using wolf. the thing is after griff is dead. only swrds is the only threat on the field. bows u can block or make them weak by succubi. or even u can kill them by wolves. after that their is only a stack of swords in the field. just attack with all your creatures including gated and main, u should win i guess. | but be alert, some knight's defence is very high,making swordman too rocky,plus grif's initiative fast and grif got unlimited retail
and more, kill griff quickly. even by using wolf
a little help wif succubi while those blockers has block the bowmens... | vs elf at level 5 almost no chance, unless they play very pour
vs knight the strategy is like this:
1. Use 2-3 stacks of imps to gate near shooters. Main stack should be retail takers against swords. Stacks should be big enough as not to be killed by hero or bows in split arrows shoot.
2. Sucubi must shot grifs at first. Until grifs are dead, sucubi should not gate. You can then gate sucubi as to block bows or as retail takers for the swords.
3. Do not engage swords unless 3-4 big stacks can attack at once, after retail was taken by a small stack. I usualy don't gate with demons, since their low ini makes their turn come to late. By the time demons move towards swords and get another turn, you should be in swords range with main stack of wolfs and gated stack, as well as some gated imps. | https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=499631321<=-1
here my match vs knight at lvl6. if u ask me swords are not a trouble at all. i usually wait for them to move and also expect them not to have a morale burst. then i take ret. and use delay to push 2 turns of wolf and spawns for 1 swords!
against knight in lvl5-7 only griff are to be feared! they also have it easy killing our low hp troops. i try to protect my troops from it as much as possible then i cast curse on it and try to attk it! | First of, thanks for all replies.
2. Sucubi must shot grifs at first. Until grifs are dead, sucubi should not gate.
How do I actually *kill* them? I can either focus on griff early in even with both wolves and demons, but with that damned infinite retal, and "high def" of early levels (you know, you have like 6 ATK for 1 DEF instead of 15 ATK for 3 DEF later on...); well, because of that, attacking with wolves is always almost commit suiciding. I could protect succs with tougher imp stack, but then, either I have one big stack that could prob. be killed by 1 bow shoot, or many small ones that would get rained of arrows. Usually, once griff dead, several succ are dead to bows, wolves almost dead to griff, and then you're left with demons against swords and bows shooting you. And since swords are much tougher than demons, already weakened by griff... Well, you get it. I can't even rely on gates against griff, since with infinite retal, small stacks can only give 1 decent strike, and they come a bit late as griff almost always rush in.
As per imp splitting, yes, that might be done, I'd say that it won't last more than a turn with splitted bows and swords + hero, but the only way to know how good it is is to give it a try.
@ elfmaniac:
Well, thanks for the link, but I need min AP help. Max AP balance is very different and weak range of demons is less troublesome since you get more DEF. I could play in full set, but as a matter of fact, no one joins in full set (even if you put it in desc, opponents join in min AP hehehe, really no way to achieve it :p).
Cursing might be a good idea, not sure how good a 0.5 dura one would be worth. I tried having a bit more magic stats, but it was quite an unsucessfull try, so I'm sticking with my KN for a bit more variety and try some situational spells.
another thing is with big stack (e.g wolf) gate at the first turn near your troops
I don't think it would be a good idea. I had to attack with demons in first turn so as to get first hit on griff. I did not gate wolves early in, since I could kill half of bows and then move back without being hit with swords. I would prob. have lost more hounds if gating immdiately with half more bows alive. I could even gate later on actually; not as it really made a difference though. | 2. Sucubi must shot grifs at first. Until grifs are dead, sucubi should not gate.
How do I actually *kill* them? I can either focus on griff early in even with both wolves and demons, but with that damned infinite retal, and "high def" of early levels (you know, you have like 6 ATK for 1 DEF instead of 15 ATK for 3 DEF later on...); well, because of that, attacking with wolves is always almost commit suiciding. I could protect succs with tougher imp stack, but then, either I have one big stack that could prob. be killed by 1 bow shoot, or many small ones that would get rained of arrows. Usually, once griff dead, several succ are dead to bows, wolves almost dead to griff, and then you're left with demons against swords and bows shooting you. And since swords are much tougher than demons, already weakened by griff... Well, you get it. I can't even rely on gates against griff, since with infinite retal, small stacks can only give 1 decent strike, and they come a bit late as griff almost always rush in.
Don't engage grifs with wolfs, unless there are just a few grifs left. Instead attack grifs with sucubi,demons and hero(unless you curse them) and gate with wolfs (placed far away from sucubi.
Use splitting imps for retail against swords and gated ones as blockers for the shooters. And you should have stacks of 4-5 imps, just enough so as split bows won't kill them.
Let us know how it goes ;) | | first of all: take basic fortune instead of basic off, it is more useful to have chance to deal DOUBLE damage then additional 10% mele damage. That is useful at lv 6+ when you can get battle fury. take 7 succs, max wolfs, about 13-15 imp to split as retal takers and gaters and blockers. Then recruit leftover demons as they are not very useful in pvp. anyway, gate first turn with wolfs and imps, gate wolfs 2-3 tiles in front of your army. gated stack will act as bait/ quick attacker when they get turn. succs shoot grif immedietly and hero attack grif either with magic arrow or regular attack, dont worry bout bows since demons/wolfs can kill them easily. after you shoot grifs 1-2 times with succ and hero them, there should be about 6-7 left, which can easily be crushed by wolfs (i think) and once grif gone obviously use gated imps / imo stacks to take sword retal and pound away at them. I will try to finds a link of a good batle against lv 5 knight when my demon was lv 5. | heres a battle between lv 5 demon and lv 5 knight, min ap luck against morale :)
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=14551969
not the best battle tactically, but i was a nub back then ^^ gives you the general idea | u have to gate first turn by wolf near your wolf.
and dont wry about bows, they are weak. just kill the griff, save succubi. attack griff with wolf when it is weaken by succubi.then only swrd is the problem. dnt wry about bows. u can kill them by succubi/wolf or block them anyway by gated units. 30 demon could gate 8-10 demon, enough to block them for 2-3 turn. anyway their are lots of ways.
knight vs demon, demon most of the time wins. | lv5 is a little tough indeed, since 10 griffins are really overpowered in those days.
however in lv6-7 with bf we can win any factions in 1v1 duel, just check my duel log. | @12:
sounds that your opponent does not know to protect his bows lol.
demons are useless after you get spawns. spawns have far better initiative, and yes, they are very fragile and easy to die, but if you use demons instead then your wolfs would die fast instead of spawns——lost. | for Slust:
ok here's a min ap lvl6 match!
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=499209929<=-1
here i didn't protect scoob well but the important thing to note is that i could kill swords easily even if both my wolf and spawns got pwned hard by griff!
Cursing might be a good idea, not sure how good a 0.5 dura one would be worth.
have 1 point in knowledge and 1 point in sp. no harm having 2 attk less!
bottomline is that if u manage to kill griff quickly without facing too much loss u can better ur chances to win against knight!!
also see my recruiting. most demons don't follow my recruiting at lvl5-7! i went with that recruiting in 4th minor tourney and did quite well compared to other demons!! | here a lvl5 min ap match...
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=498964148<=-1
again delay helped. 2 wolf and spawns turn for swords 1 :D | lvl 5 is quite some years back but perhaps it helps:
against elf
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=3311715
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=3813528
against knight
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=3666300
write if you want links to other faction fights | | Thanks guys, I'll give it a try and I'll catch you up on it. |
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