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I have some questions about the rules, because I want to be sure.
Question 1:
Is this illegal?
- you send our artifact specifying 1 gold, 0.01 days, 0 combats, don't allow repair
- you get your art back only after several months
It seems legal to me, because this rule is about Estates, not Inventory:
3.32. Storing other players' artifacts in one's Estates is forbidden.
Question 2:
- can you store your items at your friends multi's inventory?
It seems that the rules
https://www.lordswm.com/help.php?section=5
only prohibits such action for main <-> multi, i.e. not for friend <-> multi.
So, it seems completely legal to me.
Question 3:
If friend <-> multi is legal then it is also legal this:
player_1 <-> multi_of_player_2
player_2 <-> multi_of_player_1
Correct?
It seems suspicious though, because it might be a problem with this rule:
3.9. Additional characters created for any kind of support to the main one ("multichars" later on), (e.g. resource and artifact keeping, trading, assists in combat or enrollment) are forbidden.
because this would be some sort of support for main character, but this can be argued I think.
Anyway, this is not the case in question 2.
And how about this?
player_1 <-> multi_of_player_2
player_2 <-> multi_of_player_3
player_3 <-> multi_of_player_1
Or this?
player_1 <-> multi_of_player_2
player_2 <-> multi_of_player_3
...
player_N <-> multi_of_player_1
If N = 442648 then ALL players are here, i.e. in this case no player can store items in any other player's Inventory.
So, what is the number N?
N=2? N=3?
The rule 3.9. only states that N can't be 1, i.e. this is prohibited (by that rule):
player_1 <-> multi_of_player_1
Question 4:
We have this rule:
3.13.6. Additional characters are not allowed to buy, trade or exchange rare set artifacts and Thieves' Guild invitations(TGIs).
Rare artifacts are any items that are not displayed in the Artifact shop and that cannot be acquired in hunt.
Does this rule mean that you can't store rare artifacts at your friends multi?
By STORE I mean transferring for 0 combats and specifying 1 gold.
I don't think that this rule is violated, because friend's multi don't own my rare item this way, he just have it, but it's not his, i.e.:
- he didn't buy it (since it is not his)
- he didn't trade it (i.e. he can't sell it, because it’s not his item)
- he didn't exchange it (since it did not become his, i.e. he didn't own it)
By exchanging I understand giving some your property and getting some other property, which becomes yours after exchange.
Storing is rather renting (for 1 gold, but with no use), not exchanging. | | Sorry to blow your post out the water, but yes I think it is illegal | Well, it isn't clearly stated in the rules, but I think we should assume it is against the rules.
For reference:
3.13.1. Additional characters are not allowed to loan, lend or borrow any game valuables.
3.13.4. Additional characters are not allowed to take or give items for rent. | - you send our artifact specifying 1 gold, 0.01 days, 0 combats, don't allow repair
- you get your art back only after several months
Not Illegal. | The above assumes its not a multi. Also make sure the friend sends back one gold to you with proper description implying its storage.
I wouldnt push the storage period for long though, since it looks fishy. | for Robai:
trying to save ur arts from going to roulette? =) | If you limit the storage to 1 month, that can easily be considered as a loan, which is perfectly legal -- as long as it is no multi.
After that 1 month, and after you recall your artifact, nowhere in the rules says you can not "loan" it again for another month (you balance out the 1 gold of course, for not using the artifact) and it all looks proper to me. | I guess this rule could technically be called into effect:
3.21. Any banking and bookmaker activities are prohibited without exception.
Banking activities - granting loans with interest, receiving money from other players on deposit accounts, pawn shop business, insurance operations or any other bank activities.
any other bank activities could be interpreted as "storing artifacts".
Personally I'm not against the storage-idea, I'm just pointing out that it could be illegal if that rule is interpreted that way. Not sure how the admins swing though. | By bank activities I think the admins refer to activities that involve financial gain or financial loss on at least one of the parties involved in said activity.
Often times the term "banking" is used for depositing money in your bank account. But we all now that someone takes a financial gain out of that (the bank by loaning out that money with interest), even if you don't gain nor lose any of that money.
As long as nobody gains/loses any valuable/gold, I wouldn't call the activity as a banking one. But then again, admins would have the last say on the issue, and its interpretation. | i had a similar query a little while ago:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1881963 | yes it is illegal, should be obvious to everyone
where are all this high paid sages, mods, admins? | Just had a chat with a chat mod in .ru
According to her, its legal for the friend to store it but not for more than one month.
Storage with multis is illegal though. | I am one Alyna, and as I said:
Well, it isn't clearly stated in the rules, but I think we should assume it is against the rules.
However, since the rule about this sort of activity isn't clearly stated, it isn't clear. Which is why Robai is asking. | yes it is illegal, should be obvious to everyone
Maybe not so obvious as you say...for an additional character, something like this is clearly forbidden (general rules 3.13.1. and 3.13.4.)
But for the main? Maybe i didn't go through rules carefully enough, but i didn't see a rule prohibiting the main character from lending his arts to a friend to 'keep' for a while.
However, since the rule about this sort of activity isn't clearly stated, it isn't clear. Which is why Robai is asking.
+1 | - you send our artifact specifying 1 gold, 0.01 days, 0 combats, don't allow repair
- you get your art back only after several months
that's fine. to be sure, don't store them for longer than 1 month.
all the other questions - no, it's illegal, you can't use multi to support your or other character | Thanks for your answers and opinions.
It would be nice to have an official response from admins about this matter, because it is still not clear what is illegal in this case.
By the way, I considered some Possible Inventory problem solutions here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1885300 | By the way, I considered some Possible Inventory problem solutions here:
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1885300
Hm. I just though that maybe if we are paying for storage building for each rase (Warehouse, Underground depot, Cache) there shuold be possbility to keep arts on specific faction.
It has just crossed my mind, I don't know if it has any sense :) |
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