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for Vidomina:
By legal case I meant in accordance with the rules of the game (you do know them, right?)
By "Admins" I meant the administration representatives (not necessarily the two owners). Do you think the owners spend their time policing our forum, battles, transfer logs and tavern?... ;)
The two owners set up the rules, and most of the times (always?) there are other people (administration representatives) who act on them. It usually is someone else (not the two owners) behind the character(s) that delivers decisions. And those who do can be challenged if a complaint is made through the "Appeal Board" https://www.lordswm.com/clan_info.php?id=6500
Just relax and enjoy the game. Don't get all choked up because you see someone taking advantage of a loop hole!
(but I understand how some get envious about it - looking at you Botmun! :P ) | You would be shocked if you knew how this game is ran.
Two admins and Lexa. Those are the active persons running the show. Others are not so active and not deciding much. And taking advantage of the bug or some feature which is obviously flawed is illegal. They stated that time and time again. But nobody listens. If they were strict and ban everyone who broke the rule you would look at 100 players in this game :) But i agree. Repeated cheaters should be blocked. Don't worry...pain has so much accounts he would not leave. He would just play from another account. | but I understand how some get envious about it - looking at you Botmun! :P
I had a chance though xD | | one thing is for sure...if i would do that...i would be banned/blocked/jailed/deleted..sent to universe...because of bug abuse. | At the end of the day, the players who lead and represent Ukraine clan exploited / cheated and leveraged a bug and that's the truth.
So smartly the essence of this thread has been changed as I go through the pages, you start defending or providing reasons for players to make shady moves :D
They literally buy huge elements from the market and inflate prices, enchant bucket load of artefacts, convert gold to diamonds at 15k a piece, buy estates, save it in their piggy bank clans and all that is justifiable, nice!
For everyone who is saying that they exploited a bug where high lvl monsters give good amount of gold, can you even think of the number of search's you need to make to get a repeated monster?
Take into consideration all the permutations and combinations of the amount of different types of quests + different types of factions + different type of troops per faction and that would give you a base set and then you find out the probability of where players kept on finding one monster by "skipping" MG tasks and using 0.1 diamond to refresh. I can agree that amount of diamonds were spend, but I can not believe that these continuous refreshes would keep giving you back to back to back to back to back monsters of same type.
2021-07-04 03:41: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {122}
2021-07-04 03:35: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {120}
2021-07-04 03:30: Super-Dragon[18] vs Zombies-monster {124}
2021-07-04 03:23: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {118}
2021-07-04 03:14: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {116}
2021-07-04 03:09: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {114}
2021-07-04 03:05: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {112}
So this guy keeps on finding the same type of monster every 4 minutes (taking into account that he takes 3-4 minutes to beat the previous monster). This clearly suggests that he didn't even make a search for it, but got the monster quest straight away.
And that is not ideal! Yes, high level monsters might be giving big gold which the admin's can correct, but these guys keep finding the quests they want the next second they finish one battle, that is clear usage of scripts or some illegal means.
I feel the admin's saved the grace by calling it a bug, while these were cheats at work & anyone who feels that the clan is being called names, well then its time to bring in new leadership who can play the game by following the rules instead of getting continuously fined for using enrolling scripts & exploiting bugs, because clan leader/deputy are your representatives. | Fury_Barb, i have nothing to add.
Btw congrats on new leader of EFL. If anyone is opposite of Pain, it is Vicky. In terms of honesty (great guy, no cheating etc.) | The two owners set up the rules, and most of the times (always?) there are other people (administration representatives) who act on them. It usually is someone else (not the two owners) behind the character(s) that delivers decisions. And those who do can be challenged if a complaint is made through the "Appeal Board" https://www.lordswm.com/clan_info.php?id=6500
.ru forum is a different place my good sir. Maxim posted on .ru both to explain the changes to monsters and why he considered it was a bug. I would guess that only an admin can have a clue at how much money has been made and therefore how much must be fined; there is no trace of MG reward in logs after all. Besides I'm not sure many people would want to take the responsability of fines of tens of millions. | for Fury_Barb:
you start defending or providing reasons for players to make shady moves
No, I'm merely explaining why their penalty might be no more than just the gold they got.
all the permutations and combinations of the amount of different types of quests + different types of factions + different type of troops per faction
Each Mercenary location on the map has a higher likelihood of generating specific Mercenary quests. There is one location that has a higher likelihood of generating monster type of quests.
I just made a point. I'm not saying that they just sat in that location and waited/refreshed for the boss to drop. I do not know, and I'm not speculating either way. | @Fury_Barb, absolutely spot on.
these guys keep finding the quests they want the next second they finish one battle, that is clear usage of scripts or some illegal means.
the admin's saved the grace by calling it a bug | I agree certain locations give a higher chance of finding monsters (24% is max chance from what I know), but is it possible with that percentage you keep on finding one particular monster at this rate -
2021-07-04 03:41: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {122}
2021-07-04 03:35: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {120}
2021-07-04 03:30: Super-Dragon[18] vs Zombies-monster {124}
2021-07-04 03:23: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {118}
2021-07-04 03:14: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {116}
2021-07-04 03:09: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {114}
2021-07-04 03:05: Super-Dragon[18] vs Crusaders-monster {112}
& this isn't even close to what they found, look at their combat logs, they keep on finding the same monster the moment their battle ends. That's how they grinded 150m+ gold (which is insane!)
Just a simple example, if you got some diamonds to spare, try to go one a same monster finding streak at East River or Fishing Village (high monster probability locations) and you'll know whether they used some illegal means or not.
In all honesty, we shouldn't even be backing any of their move after their antics to inflate the element market and enchanting stuff and buying whatever they felt like. | You then follow up by sweeping all the elements in the market. Not cheating?
You brought up the elements. If they were using scripts then it's illegal and punishable, if not, then nothing wrong. There's absolutely no rules that prevent market control, price inflation or deflation.
I for once, would like that market rules to be implemented, to avoid huge manipulation, but as it's now, as long a person or group of people doesn't use script, they can do whatever they like on market.
Back on topic. If it's proven that they have changed the code, in order to acquire such benefits, then they should be fined, and maybe even blocked.
However, if they did not use any artificial means, just the gameplay core mechanics, there's no reason to punish them. In fact, I am not even sure their gold earned should be removed, for I believe it's the admins job to prevent and fix the existence of exploits and bugs at first place.
Admins should be paying with real money translators, web designers, bug testers, coders (if need additional help), instead we have a cycle of people who offers to work for them for free, and a punishment system to anybody who discovers an exploit, as to replace real bug testers.
I don't think it's reasonable for admins to think they can get people working for them for free, as I don't think people should blame players who discovered a exploit, instead of asking why the admins allowed this exploit to exist and why we don't have official paid bug testers.
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The worst of all, is their resolution. All players will be punished as result.
Older players already had a MG advantage, because back then monsters would raise only 1 level per time, stats and resistances could reach zero, and they gave less exp.
So it was very good to farm them for MG points. Newer players lost gameplay meta, and are forever behind. Now newer players will be even further left behind, because now monsters will be even tougher to kill.
I think the least admins could do, would be giving a drastic reduction in EXP reward, and/or double the amount of MG points, just so newer players won't get so screwed by this change. | for Fury_Barb:
Wow, spot on. I think what you provide is irrefutable evidence that this player is more than just exploiting a bug. Getting the same monsters again and again. No, no, no...... That's simply impossible by pure chance. If this kind of behavior is not punished, I don't know what should be. | Just so you know, if you skip a quest it shouldn't show up for 3 days.
Skip enough quests and sure enough you will start seeing the same ones over and over again. | You then follow up by sweeping all the elements in the market. Not cheating?
You brought up the elements.
I said buying elements with gold and you interpret it as using market script smh..
Now you are bringing up unrealistic/unrelated topics like paying translators, hiring bug testers where in reality the issue is straightforward, you either believe they cheated or think they are innocent. You clearly believe the latter, which is fine but don't expect everyone to be ok with cheating. | Newer players lost gameplay meta, and are forever behind. Now newer players will be even further left behind, because now monsters will be even tougher to kill.
As Lawton mentioned, the rest that play it fair will be left with the repercussions caused by those that do not. This is essentially ruining the game for others, another reason why they should be fined for cheating or what you call "exploiting the bug". | I agree certain locations give a higher chance of finding monsters (24% is max chance from what I know), but is it possible with that percentage you keep on finding one particular monster at this rate
I hope Hapko in #133 answered this query bro. If you see initially the quests did take a long time to appear. Everyone had to do few other quests. Monsters started popping up when they had skipped enough quests.
Again, no one is supporting cheating here. I don't see anyone doing that. Everyone is free to have his or her own views of wisdom. Personally I believe, it's not good to call a whole clan cheater for the acts of 10% members. That's what I was against. And personally I believe that this thread got deviated from slamming cheaters to slamming a MC within few posts.
Btw congrats on new leader of EFL. If anyone is opposite of Pain, it is Vicky. In terms of honesty (great guy, no cheating etc.)
Thanks. Vic is one of the best guys I met here in game tbh. And yeah we know he isn't a cheater. xD | I said buying elements with gold and you interpret it as using market script smh..
No. You were not clear. There's absolutely no rule breaking about buying/selling anything on the market, nor attempting to inflate/deflate the price. It's absolutely legal.
Also stop putting your words from things I have or not said.
Without hard factual evidence, I am not capable nor ANYONE in here, to make any judgment.
Only the admins has both enough data evidence and field knowledge to decipher the data, that they have created. The administration is the most capable being to analyze and judge this case, applying whenever fine they think will be appropriate, no one else.
So what is your point? Blame the person who discovered a exploit and burn the witch, and ignore the fact that is the administration who is applying a new rule, that will negatively impact the entire game server?
How can you blame a person who was just playing the game, as it has been designed without using any external means, until proved, but at same time, believe the administration has absolutely no responsibility? Hello? It's their game.
Also, if a project generates revenue and employs people, it can be classified as a business, not all business hire 1.000+ people.
As the business owners their task is to maintain the integrity of whatever they're running and hiring the responsible staff. That's the very basic principle of running a business, one person cannot do everything alone, specially as it growth. | The player who did the exploit did not raise the monsters resistance. Administration did.
And honestly the vast majority of people who would discover a exploit like that, would simply use it silently. Let's be real here, no BS. | No. You were not clear.
In this context where people are talking about creating gold from quests and with no mention about market scripts, that's more than clear. If you need people to explain to the letter, feel free to ask or write a pm, instead of misinterpreting the meaning and accusing me of not being clear. | Also stop putting your words from things I have or not said.
Such as?
Your view was clear from the start - Correct is anything inside the game design mechanics.
What you are doing now is paraphrasing it and writing essays which essentially mean the same thing.
So what is your point?
My point is clear – they are cheaters who cheated and should be punished. But knowing the admins, I wouldn’t expect a punishment. Simple as that. I hope this is clear for you and if not, let me know before you start accusing me of talking about scripts again :) |
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