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| All i have to say is minos are crap. i use them because im a magic de. Last few battles i had 19 minos vs 13-16 vamps. i had the art bonus and all that crap. still no use i lost. ( i was out of mana) i stroke the vampire. a few dead came back and gained 2/3 of what damage i did. it went 2 more times before my mino. (the original stack was i think 32). that kept happening and i lost... | for XxFaithxX:
If you take rally you shouldn`t be a mage but a melee. Try out the Chaos with the Air Specialization, that`s a good chance to control some units on the map. And buy some Def man. A mage without def is dead in 2-3 rounds. | DE is not underpowered. Check out level 7 DE is powerful, level 3-4 DE is powerful, Shrews and lizards are amazing, and minos have TONS of hp. Even poisoners are good. Why DE underpowered?? You are just complaining.
only crap at lv 5 & 6, maybe 7 (no fact, i just ever played till DE 6) | @ 117
Dude are you blind? look what you just said "SHREWS" and lizards are amazing.
Ever stop to realize that SHREWS are diamond upgrades from lvl 6-7? Only that upgrade is enough to almost put DE into balance with other factions without their upgrades. Hence, DE is underpowered.
Of course you can say, wow you can try magic(if that fails) then try might (if that fails) try mix (if that fails) keep trying cause you suck(highly unlucky).
In the end, DE is underpowered and everyone knows it. | I think DE is better than Wizard...
if u want to compare the troop
bandit - gremlin -> .... we know which one is better
rogue - gargoyle -> even if gargoyle got more number, it still low damage 1-1
minotaur - golem -> yet both slow, but mino got more damage and hp than golem
Lizard - magi -> though magi can use spell and range unit, but is got too low for hp and initiative, usually magi got killed by ranged unit even before they move (if u don't use mini art 4 initiative and art)
even if wizard is good for merc quest or PvM, but for Duel or battle group.....
stop complaining, if u don't like DE, then change ur faction. all faction got good side and bad side... | lizards are definitively not amazing...
lizard's charge ability can reduce defence to 0...ok they can SOMETIMES deal huge damages
but
1: you don't have lots of them (only 6 liz at level5, it's very few),and they don't have a lot of HP (240HP for the entire stack, it's the same than 15 little gargoyles without mini arts), they dies very easily, especially against ranged units.
2:they are difficult to use because of their huge size. (especially if there are obstacles on the battlefield:stone blocks...)
if oppenents don't plays too bad, your lizards will never be able to charge on a good stack, they will always be blocked by well positionned small unit.
this way, lizard's charge will be useless.
3:lizards works very bad with your other units: you have only melee units (except poisonners but they sucks at ranged attacks) and lizard's size makes difficult for your other units to reach the same target than them.
4:lizard's retaliations are really weaks:lizards charge works only if they move, and they will never move before retaliation.
all of this makes lizards very bad tier4 units.
"SHREWS" and lizards are amazing
only shrews are amazing.
and you must wait for level8 for them, or use diamond upgrades.
without diamonds elves have awsome druids and bowmen, wizards have magis, necro have skeleton bowmen and raise, knights have lots of units whith training chambers+griffin's unlimited retaliation and escort, barbarians have orcs, strong melee units, magic proof, hero's knocking shot.
DE have...nothing.
no ranged units, the weakest racial ability: useless magic piercing, the weakest talent's wheel special ability: +50% magic damages at cost of +100% mana cost...they are definitively underpowered. | Agree to character_name ..
Yeahh i mean each fraction has their good and bad .... But I believe that each fraction can defeat each other .. not udnderpower and overpower fractions .... They are all level ...
Best regards,
Randhy
NB : I hope great DE players, like | Agree to character_name ..
Yeahh i mean each fraction has their good and bad .... But I believe that each fraction can defeat each other .. not udnderpower and overpower fractions .... They are all level ...
Best regards,
Randhy
NB : I hope great DE players, like EGOROVY want to give his opinions here ...
Sorry for double postings .... | for RandhyTheKnight:
No offence to Egorovy, but are you saying he's great just because he's the highest level DE here? And are you saying that the rest of us know nothing of the faction we [unlike some ppl here] play?
And if you think all factions are equall here, well, think again. | elves have awsome druids and bowmen, wizards have magis, necro have skeleton bowmen and raise, knights have lots of units whith training chambers+griffin's unlimited retaliation and escort, barbarians have orcs, strong melee units, magic proof, hero's knocking shot.
DE have...nothing.
Aren't you forgetting a faction? :D | The Hydras have great HP, have spray .. rogues have great init and speed, minos have great def and attack also HP, the Bandits can take retal, have speed and defs too, and the heroes of DE can learn Chaos Magic .. that is enough i think .. i often see (at my level 5 and 6) that so many DE without any diamond upgrades can takeout Elves, Barbarians and even Knights with their Griffins .... Players like KARTIKCHOO, PSYCHE (They are my teammates) ... they can play DE well without any diamond upgrades and not any second doubt with their DE's abilities ....
I hope those 2 players can give comments here ...
Best regards,
Randhy | To compare Mage`s and DE. Have you ever thought a good mage in 1x1 ? Mage`s are one the best at 1x1 from 5 till up. From 1 to 5 is Necro.
If you split mage`s you can make a huge dmg from then in the first run, only Elf or Barbarian shooters are faster and they are taken out by the hero Spikes or Magic Arrow in the first round. I don`t see a lot of mage`s who take the master gremlins for shooters. They are only good at restoring some golems at some point of the battle. If you are a good Mage you`ll have a huge bonus in a Tournament cause you have the miniart`s bonus. The gargoiles are fast enought to go round and round and let the Hero deplete his mana. This is saying about lvl 5-7 of mage`s.
And general speaking: In fact if the player not skilled the DE is losing (leak of HP). If the players is skilled and the opponent is not the DE is wining. But if the player is skilled and the opponent is skilled the DE will loose.
Cause DE is fast dieing and fast offencer :) If you don`t manage to kill fast you`ll die fast.
I would like to discuss tactics of DE against Barbarian, Human, and Demon, let`s say at 7 with no shrews. Different build`s against different builds. | Aren't you forgetting a faction?
i didn't fight a lot against demons. too few of them...
i fought some at level3-4 but i never meet them at level5.
they have imps draining mana, succubies for ranged fight, and gating ability.
i think demon VS DE is maybe impossible for DE to win: impossible to cast spells because of imps, impossible to wait for demon to come close because of succubies and gating (big advantage for demon if battle is long)
DE is forced to move, and demon can wait for him, and use gated units to take retaliation then strike with hellhounds.
but i never experienced battles with demons at level5, i may be totally wrong. that's why i didn't mentionned them in my precedent message. | @125
lol you should stop talking, u have no idea what you are talking about.
Think about it throughly before you talk.
Wizards have more troop recruitment number then DE. Wizards troops are weak for a reason and its miniarts compensate for that.
Now you are just comparing stats of each tier from wizard and DE. Did you fail to see the amount of troops you can recruit for both wizard and DE?
Pretty much what you are saying is wow, DE's troops are strong, and indeed it is but you are not taking into the account the amount of troops available to recruit for each faction. big whoop, u can say that u get 1 lizard vs 20 gargoyles, (who has more hp stats n stuff? gargoyles)
NOW If u want to continue to debate and discuss about DE, SPEAK with facts not ignorance and no intellect. | That also goes for RandhyTheKnight.
1.Review the facts first before you start posting any more comments/opinions/etc.
Just because you are both naive to see that DE is underpowered and believe that the way they are now they are balanced? you are sadly mistaken. That is why every game has updates where different areas are nurfed, buffed or removed. This is because after many investigations and evidence based on player testing, the discovery displays unbalance in them and thus changes are required. DE is underpowered is exactly what is being displayed for Lords of WM, but because you are both 2 year olds, you cant exactly understand the concepts of which we talk about. So please do us a favour and "refer back to the first sentence" Oh and please note that I put a "1." beside the first sentence so that you can READ | | let`s try to be nice with everyone even those who don`t share our point of view ^_^ | To DarkAssault : If u think that DE is UNDERPOWER like u said so, why u choose DE as ur main fraction ?? why not try another like WIZARD, or Elves or Knights ?? If do u think that they are stronger, I suggest u to choose another fraction and leave ur faith to ur DE ....
Best regards,
Randhy
No offense, no insult, just an opinion... Thx a lot | randy, if i create a game with 10 factions
2 good one, 8 bad ones.
will you say " game is very good like it is, if you don't like your faction, change to one of the powefrul ones"
i hope the answer is no.
if a game has lot of factions, they must be balanced. the players should choose the faction they like instead of choosing a faction only because they are strong.
i choosed DE at the beggining because i like their style.
i like monsters, i choose them because they had lizards and hydras (didn't look at the unit's stats to choose, only the unit graphics)
and i don't want to change and to play wizards or elves with creatures i don't really like, just because they are stronger than DE. | | Randhy Just shut up, i rather not explain to you why I have picked DE when i had 0 idea of this game when i signed up | | you blacklisted randhy o.O |
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