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- at start DE have got +1 to morale, (Elves +3 to Initiative :/ ), maybe DE shoud have "god bless" (better minimal morale)?
wow.. DE units have good initiative in overall. they are even faster than most of knight units. so, you want a good initiative + initial morale boost to pawn the rest faction?
well, the morale boost already given on the mino with bravery - morale always not less than 3. add on with artifacts, your mino actually can be even more deadly than lizard calvary and rouge in bursting action. |
I'm sure this has already been mentioned -- I just don't feel like reading 6 pages right now. :-)
Dark Elves at level 6 are a very serious threat. The dual ability (no retaliation/strike and return) of the shrews makes them a very powerful force indeed, especially considering the incredible range and above-average initiative they are afforded. Maybe at lower levels they are not the most powerful force, but I'd wager that they're the strongest at level 6. |
@Pang
Easy, It is only my "wish" list with propositions, probably noone will be realized :(
Second thing is, that everyone want move first, and hit enemies before them.
At level 1-2 all don't like DE becouse they have spike spell, Knights - bowmen.
Level 3-5, Elfes was almost unbetable (Elven Bowmen first and double shot), Necros with Ghosts.
At level 5 all don't like Knights (Griffs + Escort Talent) and Barbarians (Orcs - faster then elven Bowmen)
There is much more examples.
@Xhuda
Shrews are creature from level 8 not 6, how many players have it? I repat Shrews are not problem "overpowered" DE, only problem "diamonds" units.
This same you may write about i.e. Enchanted Gargoyles, Elite FK, Wolf Raiders etc. |
| so tourament shown that i was talking about all the time - DE are not weaker or weakest of all, they are in balance, have many high places and even took first and second place of 7 level and that means this topic hase no sence. |
@Ivor
We did't win becouse DE is strong, IMO is weak I win becouse I have 9 level creatures ( Shrews). Not all me tournament "enemies" had "diamond" bonus. Without "diamond" units DE ARE weak. |
for LEVY:
first of all they are 8 lvl units, second there are diamonds, third shrews are better then moust others 2up creatues so u won and DE are strong. |
@levy
Kiskoko did fight without shrews - take his 2 losses vs shrews away and he won 50% of his fights
so its not impossible to play DE without shrews |
| So a 50% win rate is good to you? No winning tournaments with that... |
| 50% is balanced - or are you looking 4 a 100% win? so buy shrews |
Even so, dark elves needs to be compensated for the faction's bonus that is useless.
The reason why dark elves win most of their battles is because dark elves have to strategize more because they really dont have anything else to aid them in battle because no range units besides weakling poisoners |
@ Canacad = even with shrews it isnt 100% win.
every faction has some strengths and weaknesses in their units. Just dark elves are not balanced with other factions in that their bonus is useless |
| Once the admin realize that dark elves bonus is crap and enough complaints come in, then dark elves can finally become atleast a decent faction to play. right now it sucks. (do not include in your opinion diamonds units because that means nothing) |
shrews @lvl 6 or 7 is very close to a 100% win - closer then anything else in this game
and @ lvl 8 -with regular upgrade- you are very strong too |
for Cenacad:
on lvl 7 DE with shrews and atck stats is 95% win, but on 6 there's 15-16 shrews is not enough. on tournament i defeated 2 DE with shrews, but I see no chance vs Enchanted gargs if to compare. |
but did they skilled melee? i dont think so - and you cant be the best melee + the best caster with the same setup, even as DE ;)
and @lvl 5 is a DE (megavolt) without shrews and he won 18/20
... @lower lvl there are some good DE too
so as far as i can see @every lvl a DE can win >50% of his fights, with or without shrews - isnt this balanced?
and look @player stats
Dark elves 14.3%
Demons 6.5%
do i cry 4 more demonpower? i think that most player dont choose weak fractions!
i was able to win 13/15 @lvl 7 (and lost 2 times vs shrews), both DE did never need to change the startsetup use another tactic or so. i had to change my tactics vs every fraction |
there are other reason for the low population of demon. the only thing for sure: demon is not weak :)
i wonder why everyone underestimate on demon ;p |
I think that this thread should be divide on 2 separate:
1. bonuses from "diamond" units;
2. weaknes, especialy DE unique racial abilities - Piercing magic;
@Cenacad
quote: "but did they skilled melee?", and if not, and this was reason their loses?
quote from manual: "Piercing magic
Dark elves hold an innate interest to the magical forces of nature connected with destruction......"
Who choice magic DE, if even with racial bonus they lose, and might DE without racial bonus win?
Follow this way, who want unless unique racial abilities? |
50% is balanced - or are you looking 4 a 100% win? so buy shrews
No, 50% isn't balanced really. I'd say around 70% would mean someone is balanced. It's hard to explain, but really if a faction only wins 1/2 the time then how is that balanced when other factions win 80%? Now if EVERY faction won 50% of the time then yes, 50% would be balanced.
One character who you name w/o shrews winning only 50% just shows that he was getting his arse kicked. |
Every faction have weak and strong points.
Every one have "enemies" easy to win, and "almost impossible to win".
Every one have unique racial abilities, but only DE have unless. |
Every faction have weak and strong points
Every one have "enemies" easy to win, and "almost impossible to win"
oh plz tell me your DE secrets - where do you see the DE counterparts?
"Every one have unique racial abilities, but only DE have unless" - ok but bec of this DE arnt weak ;) |
