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| Roulette is random .. There is no doubt about it.. But you can use strategies increase your chances. | at vegeta,
i can say any random pattern too.0 00,5 15,etc.do you have any proof of your patterns?
take for example your favorite,the 0-5 in the january 2013 archive.0 appeared 110 times,followed by 5 only two times.That looks like a very unlucky pattern to me. | for Lady sofiouta:
0 appeared 110 times,followed by 5 only two times.That looks like a very unlucky pattern to me.
Considering that you win 36 times your bet, 0 followed by 5 should have appeared 4 times in this case to make a positive profit.
Maybe in these 5 days this pattern was unlucky, but you just can't take only one exemple to tell his strategy worth it or not. | Proof ?
Like 1 mil +ve bal. In roulette , 5 times roulette champion , 2 fully up castles , 1 tgi with that ridiculous stats on my LG
Thats enough proof i guess ? | for Lady sofiouta: He did say it was during the .com days, do you use the .com archive or .ru archive?
But yeah, most of the pattern guessing that I've read on .com forums before seems to be just plain guessing and pretty much rubbish. And people who do these are usually those who are bankrupt from roulette.
But maybe there are indeed few russians out there who figured out legit patterns on the RNG.
Although, if anyone wants to bring it up, you better back it up with samples from thousands of data (easily obtained from the archives)
Otherwise, it's just another guess.
It'll be good if someone who can read russian share what's on the .ru forums :p
The top rouletters that have been mentioned before does indeed have an abnormally high profits. Even if it's only 1-2% higher than the average outcome, it's very abnormal for them to reach that high consistently. | #83
31 days,not 5
One example is enough to me considering there are zero examples supporting his "strategy"
#84
you guessed wrong.your profit just proves you were lucky and nothing more.pay some attention to post 79.
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take any archive,does not matter.you will not find any pattern.i used the january 2013 archive from the about the game section.
First of all it is scientifically ridiculous if you believe that you have cracked the code of a rng with your mind by predicting just pairs of outcome.
All rngs have a period,the better the rng, the bigger the period(this period can be very very long).That means that the rng will start repeat itself after some time,unless you manually change the initial seed. To avoid this from happening, each time, an unknown number of outcomes are skipped between the two sequential outcomes that they present to us,making a pattern prediction impossible.There are even more ways to make things harder,eg take sets of presentable outcomes and presuffle their order(you know that our roulette outcomes are predefined and are not created on the fly).So all those who were able to hack the code and overcome those obstacles only using their eyes and their mind must be experts in rng developing and really smart.I think they were just lucky.
Anyway,as i have already said,it is a waste of time to consider spin history in order to place a bet. | Its easy to disregard something u have never experienced ..
Its a waste of time debating with you only fellow roulette players 'may' undersrand me ..
Ive said this a 100 times did i get lucky 3 times in a row(consecutive days) ? The answer may be yes but the probability that supports it is low ..
To be a winner for the day u had to win 600k-1mil..
I made a few people rich too (ofc at that time)
I believe it was more than luck my brother was dumbstruck when i would tell him no.'s to bet on through calls and he won . So i refuse to believe your theory :) | | and when your luck ended,you started to blame the russian code,,although .com developers were the same people.I speak with facts, you have theories that need to be proven and still no archive is found to support them | Im just saying that the roulette follows repeated patterns and nobody would just put 14k on a single no. Just like that ..
Yeah I did put max bets on straight ups "just like that" and won 2.5 million by pure luck. You have won only 1 million, if 2.5 million could be won with pure luck what proves that 1 million is not pure luck?
Anyway what you have been saying just proves that you have very little or no knowledge about probability, and as Usbeorn correctly pointed out, you should look into apophenia.
Btw just in case you forgot you said something in post 78's first sentence that you are forgetting :P | for Lady sofiouta:
I don't need to prove anything I just told my experience and yll came out with them theories\facts to prove me wrong .. And I used up my money and was never taken down by roulette to 0 ..so you are assuming things you don't know .. I'm not saying you are wrong but y do u have to prove me wrong ?
for randomr1:
Okay so placing bets illogically leaves u at a 2mil loss .. Lessons learnt people don't do it ..
Figure out something that u might believe rather than putting out like he did or you will end up as him 'victims of roulette' ..
And I know more about probability than you ever will KID ..
And useaborn pointed out and perhaps u should have read it too it is a common human practice everybody does it knowingly or unknowingly ..
You make patterns everyday while memorising things and etc etc | #90
Because others might read your bs and believe it.
if you knew anything about probability you would have never clicked on spin history link.
Randomr1 has those loses because he has more than double bets than you.Keep betting on your patterns (or anything, it doesnt matter) and mathematically you will reach him. | take any archive,does not matter.you will not find any pattern.i used the january 2013 archive from the about the game section.
ok, might be actually interesting to do when i have the time to bother doing it :p | Calm down guys there's no need to argue about money ! (This is always about money)
The point is Prince Vegeta & I believe in the pattern theory and some guys here don't.
Nobody seems to be able to give proof about what he says, because I'm not convinced that Russian Roulette players can have a 10 millions profit just by being lucky. | for Hammer Thrower:
It's like you are saying you believe mermaids exist and kangaroos are aliens whereas we don't believe it, therefore both your beliefs and ours should be given equal credit. NO. And yes it is perfectly normal for 2 or 3 people to win 10 million out of thousands and thousands who lose millions, not only in this game but also in real life roulette, or other gambling forms. | for randomr1:
No, it's like I was sure I saw a marmaid and green kangaroos but I need someone to confirm because I can't believe it by myself.
As I do not believe in magic, spirits, ghosts, and LUCK ! I'm gonna explain why I have some reasons to believe in the pattern theory.
The very specific reason is players can't bet more than 1k*CL.
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Let's take a crazy gambler at CL=20. Anytime he plays, he always put 20k gold on one number.
He can't win more than 720k Gold with one "straight up".
To make a direct positive profit of 10 million, this guy has to succeed let's say 13 times without loosing with makes (1/38)^13.
I do not have any PhD on statistics & probabilities but I'm sure this is very close to 0 chances.
Even if there is a large community of gamblers, 0*(a large community of gamblers) always makes 0.
Of course, because the guy plays randomly (because he can't believe in pattern theory), mathematicaly speaking, our crazy gambler has to loose sometimes, the losses has to be recovered by winning more than 13 times. But at the end, winning 10 millions after 1 billion gold played is the same as winning 10 millions after 13*20k= 260k gold played.
It's like I ask a thousand people to win 300 ˆ at Head or Tails with 1ˆ at a time.
If it was just a random guy, then I would agree with you.
But if there's 3 people winning 300 ˆ, then there must be something else. | Hanmer thrower exactly mate these people coming out with proven facts and stuff but we have actually experienced it happening so ..
Experience counts more than just facts for me ..
So i didnt reply knowing she wouldnt understand .
I said the same point u said then she came out with the some people might believe your BS story and thats where i knew she doesnt have any scope of accepting my side of the story .. anyways cheers to you :) | for Hammer Thrower
First of all luck is not something supernatural.It is just when a random, generally pleasant, event happens to someone.e.g win the lottery.Those things,smaller or bigger, do happen to people.So luck exists,and by puting it to the same sentence with ghosts and magic, shows that you will never understand what i am saying.
I do not have any PhD on statistics & probabilities
It is obvious because
(1/38)^13 is the probability to win 13 times IN A ROW.You need to find the probability to win 13+x times (where x*36*20k=total value of placed bets) in total placed bets.
So accept your ignorance about the matter and listen to people who know a couple of things more.
Lets take for example player http://www.heroeswm.ru/pl_info.php?id=2161082
He has put 12200(=183M/15k) bets and he has won the 357(15k*36*357=193M) of them(assuming he plays straights at cl15)
the average player would have won the 321 of them anyway(with 1/38 probability),so he won about 36 more bets than the average in 12200 bets.
That is exactly that the average player loses 10M and the lucky wins 10M.Many averages and one lucky.
How lucky he has to be?Only about 0.29% luckier than the average player(if that can be measured) to win 36 more games in 12k+.
So in a large community, top luckiest gamblers are just 0.29% luckier than average.It sounds logical to me and it is.
On the other hand,lets say he was not lucky and he is a mind hacker like Vegeta.
his patterns worked 36 times in 12200 bets(321 wins just happen to anyone by pure luck ).his patters worked Less than 0.29% of the time.
That Means his Pattern worked once in 345 PLACED bets.With that success rate he would have lost millions than winning 10 if there where no average luck and coincidences.
A Really low percentage for a "safe" bet cause,here people have written about 95% success in guessing the next number.
Probably BSing us and spreading intentionally or by ignorance false information.
So if the most successful,pattern aware,player has 0.3% guess rate than the average Why the hell did he placed 12000 bets in vain if he has cracked roulette?
why not to wait his pattern to appear and what kind of pattern is it that appears once every 345 placed bets(BETS not spins)?
Easy answer,, because and why there is no pattern.
At prince Vegeta,
Your problem is that you were lucky and cant accept it.Your ego is too big and you think you are smarter than the other people that lost millions.Well you are not but thinking that, makes you less smarter from them for sure.It took me less than 3min to analyse the older archive i could get and your favorite pattern guaranteed 40-50 times * your bet negative.
How can i understand something that doesnt exist?People here have explained it multiple times from psychological and mathematical view that you are wrong. | At Vegeta again,
Is it about your side of the story or the real story?
Because the real story is that you imagined that you see patterns in roulette.Dont worry,you are not crazy.It happens to gamblers.I,myself believe that certain people bring me bad luck in tavern when they talk to me or just by being onine,haha.It is your imagination because those patterns never existed,just happened a few times,even fewer than the normal would somebody expect,but you were lucky to bet on the right time.When your luck ended you started blaming the russian code instead of accepting you were just lucky.Although it is very unlikely, for the same programmer to maintain two different codes for the same thing.
Even if you technically can never find out any patterns by simple observation because of the skipped and shuffled results.Only coincidences can be found that way.
To understand better wwhat i am saying if an rng outputs for example abcdefghi,,
they skip numbers between,and present you for example acfgi,also they shuffle more the output and present it to you as fcaig.Thats how programmers do it and that is why it is impossible to address patterns by observation. | So accept your ignorance about the matter and listen to people who know a couple of things more.
Ok then, but when I say "this guy has to succeed let's say 13 times without loosing" I mean he has to win 13 times IN A ROW !! Before telling me I'm an idiot, be careful about what I wrote.
When I said I do not believe in luck I was jocking. Why being aggressive when your opinion isn't shared by the whole world ?
No need to be rude.
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However Lady sofiouta, I have to admit your mathematical proof has convinced me. Even tho, I feel like those patterns are a fact. | Sorry if i was rude,really.Now that you have explained me what you meant it looks like a more illogical syllogism to me.
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Although biologists have convinced me that green kangaroos dont exist, i feel their existence is a fact because somebody has seen one in his dream. |
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