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The problem imo is this: we all started playing this game as a form of entertainment and for relaxation but with the ongoing defenses, it has become a chore to many people. I for one cannot afford to be constantly logged in waiting for a defense and definitely do not wish to be forced to do it (though I feel especially when we have few mates online and would eventually succumb to helping out
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I need 8 hours for work, 7 hours for sleep , and 14 hours for defence...
so i need a day with 29 hours !!!
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I really don't understand admin decision to implement these permanent random defence | I really don't understand admin decision to implement these permanent random defence
For players who have plenty of time or can organise their work freely it's a great thing. When I was unemployed I would have loved to have such a feature.
But now - working - I won't have my life dictated by an online game. If that means that our clan will lose a another mine, I'm sorry, but so be it. | when active .com members join .ru clans, this can happen too :P
Every players has a choice,you can't force someone to play for your "com"
i guess some people prefer the opportunity to do a defense battle 20 times a day :)
Yes they do
Looking in you're combat log you don't do that many defends yourself..
Obvious troll is troll...
then may b there's something wrong with us
yes there is,most english people are casual players not hardcore | | nothing wrong with being a casual player :) |
I really don't understand admin decision to implement these permanent random defence
because many many .ru players are hardcore players and they always wants something to play. but most of us .com players are casual players because hardcore players should have left .com long long time ago... | Every players has a choice,you can't force someone to play for your "com"
no one is forcing to join in defense or in a Clan buddy.
just my point, for you statement.
.com MC's got super, mid and low active players. + all are from different time zones. hardly possible to get 50 online in 1 time.
so .com got some limitations. in my view, all .com clans are doing good.
win & lose is part & parcel in a game :) | https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?lt=-1&warid=568266238
Lord selfist solo defend :) | yes there is,most english people are casual players not hardcore
There was a time when the hardcore players were those players that kept dying 10th of times just to finally beat that boss or pass that level (and enjoyed it). Just to reach another one and die again and again (those of us who experienced it can't blame them: one could only hope but to get rid of those pixelised uglies :p). Not someone stuck to its computer just to be there and take part in defense. Incitating one to play is not hardcore. What's more, the level of the attackers adapts to you, which is not hardcore either.
Either you have time, either you don't - but either way, I fail to see a feeling of achievement for defending XX facilities a day rather than X a day.
The problem imo is this: we all started playing this game as a form of entertainment and for relaxation but with the ongoing defenses, it has become a chore to many people. I for one cannot afford to be constantly logged in waiting for a defense and definitely do not wish to be forced to do it (though I feel especially when we have few mates online and would eventually succumb to helping out
Agreed. | I really don't understand admin decision to implement these permanent random defence
seriously ? after almost 5 years, dont you have some grasp of admins way of thinking ? survilogs is the best mechanism they ever developed for their agenda.
Those who cant cope with its problems will simply chose a slow/relaxed play style (= not beeing in any top 20 MC) | | as long as survilurgs keep paying me i have no problem with them ;) | Atheros, you were one of us, you know how .com clans are. We can get 10-15 players to the defs in almost anytime of the day, 21 is donable too, most of times, but 42 (double defs) are really hard, if the time isn't right.
The system was developed for .ru server, using .ru timing. We got the event, and we should "enjoy", if this is possible, as we can. The big problem is that most of us just don't, anymore. Survilings were good, but they should have been "defeated" long time ago...
The problem imo is this: we all started playing this game as a form of entertainment and for relaxation but with the ongoing defenses, it has become a chore to many people. I for one cannot afford to be constantly logged in waiting for a defense and definitely do not wish to be forced to do it (though I feel especially when we have few mates online and would eventually succumb to helping out
+1 | seriously ? after almost 5 years, dont you have some grasp of admins way of thinking ? survilogs is the best mechanism they ever developed for their agenda.
Those who cant cope with its problems will simply chose a slow/relaxed play style (= not beeing in any top 20 MC)
Think that is a very black and white way of look at it.
People might want to be a part of a competetive clan an still have a life outside LWM. "Activity activity activity" should never replace skill.
Another problem is clan buildings upkeep. People who liked to "play when you want" and do PvP is out of options now. There might be some happy with this but there is also many frustrated ones. Some wont donate any more and some have or is considering finding new games to play.
Even after the merge I don't think this game can afford to lose to many good active players. | "Activity activity activity" should never replace skill.
well said.
lets check previous methods implemented by admins. (chronology may be incorrect)
at first we had pure and simple group battles along with thief + hunt + MG
(damnn good old days - soo miss that perfect game)
survival tourneys (later honey'ed by HG points !!)
contest grounds (desperate for skill points ? go burn gold vs AI)
4x4 autos (burn more gold - only 2 buttons to chose, confusing :p )
quick tourneys (burn even more gold)
okey, we are also given
commanders guild (which has disgustingly bad enlist interface)
events and non-regular tourneys.
for my taste survilogs mechanism is in between, better than playing versus AI alone, way better than setting troops and let AI play my army. survilogs main problem is its pseudo -random time.. if 8 defence given evenly spaced to 14 hours, no clan would have problems to keep a sector - but that is not suitable for admins main desire.
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lets admit it.. there is no free (and good) game around. if you find one let us know :d
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few words about why I've sorta betrayed my clan and fighting with russians.
(7-8 months of the year) I have a work to attend. my work hours coincidences 60% of survilogs active period. after I get back home, can fight average of 1.3 survilogs per day in A&D but 4.2 in Titans. This extra fsp gain is costly in more than few aspects though. google translator is a trouble by itself. top russian clan players fight with best arts, 1-2 enhance (almost) always, hence some gold issues also present.
Im glad not too many high level choses as I did, else .com clans would be in serious trouble. | Lord selfist hmm you become a genius now :P
So now survilogs attack rate is 0.5x ? |
People might want to be a part of a competetive clan an still have a life outside LWM. "Activity activity activity" should never replace skill.
Another problem is clan buildings upkeep. People who liked to "play when you want" and do PvP is out of options now. There might be some happy with this but there is also many frustrated ones. Some wont donate any more and some have or is considering finding new games to play.
Be competive or attend to your life,there is no way to both at the same time because there is always someone who is more active than you=he is more competive. if life is more important for a player then i call him casual.(problem with english clans)
you can still play when you want,admin didnt change the way hg,mg,tg,cg are played,your points are invalid. |
Be competive or attend to your life,there is no way to both at the same time because there is always someone who is more active than you=he is more competive. if life is more important for a player then i call him casual.(problem with english clans)
The most noteworthy aspect of this game was that inactive players would not have to worry about being incompetent compared to others who were very active.
Being active alone meant that the characters would develop rapidly, but now to get the three extra stats you need to be in a top MC that can afford all the clan buildings for as long as the concept exists, probably forever.
I personally dont have any problem with this feature, our clan is really easy, and i join for defenses whenever i want to... there are sufficient players who fill it up in 5-10 mins of enlisting , BUT i can compeletely understand the other point which is very valid in my perception. | Be competive or attend to your life,there is no way to both at the same time because there is always someone who is more active than you=he is more competive. if life is more important for a player then i call him casual.(problem with english clans)
Nonsense.
Ofc you can be competitive and play this game.
You dont have to play 5 defenses per day, if you have a good clan, consisting of active players.
Sometimes you will play 4 battles, sometimes none.
And because most of members are active, and there are 250 of you, allways wil be someone who will fill the deffense.
But if you have a clan where half of members are semiactive at best, well, then you have a problem.
Not because of admins decisions, but because you have a low activity members.
If leaders of .com clans would be less egoistic, and made 2 strong .com clans, there would be no problems for .com clans to compete with .ru clans.
2 strong clans is all .com can make, not enough high activity players for more.
few words about why I've sorta betrayed my clan and fighting with russians.
Well, i also am fighting with russians, and i really do not think that i betrayed anyone.
Or that you betrayed your clan.
We just had different opinions about functioning of a serious MC.
And all this stories how communication is a big problem are a big BS.
I am playing with russians for few months now and i never had a problem.
Actually i do not need much to communicate, they are good players and do not need someone to tell them what to do.
If someone knows how to play, you do not need to tell him anything.
Just relax and enjoy the game. | Be competive or attend to your life,there is no way to both at the same time because there is always someone who is more active than you=he is more competive. if life is more important for a player then i call him casual.(problem with english clans)
And you cannot see a problem with this?
I think we two have a very different view on how the game should be. There should be more focus on quality than quantity. I respect a skillful player more than an player who can set aside RL an be active.
The current event is also a good example of activity being more important than skill. Limit the battle per day to 2 or 3 and it would be much more fun. (You could do more battle, but points would not count)
If leaders of .com clans would be less egoistic, and made 2 strong .com clans, there would be no problems for .com clans to compete with .ru clans.
2 strong clans is all .com can make, not enough high activity players for more.
It may be true that two .com clans is all that could support for good leaderboard score. But that is not the problem, the problem is that clan buildings is now needed for being competitive in PvP.
Saying that clan leaders are egoistic is kinda offensive IMO
A clan is more than a number, more than a score. It is a community, with people who know each other and want to fight together. There should be room for that an a fair PvP system. Maybe you don't mind joining a Russian clan but I would miss the friendship as I don't speak Russian.
The values I like is best reflected in my MC, don't see why I should have to leave to enjoy PvP
you can still play when you want,admin didnt change the way hg,mg,tg,cg are played,your points are invalid.
Can see you ahve not won any PvP medal, but you have fought in ST, so you should know how important the clan buildings stats is. Much has changed, your points are invalid | A clan is more than a number, more than a score. It is a community, with people who know each other and want to fight together. There should be room for that an a fair PvP system. Maybe you don't mind joining a Russian clan but I would miss the friendship as I don't speak Russian.
I joined russian clan, but i am still in A&D skype room, and still think of A&D as my friends.
Nothing will change that.
Or you want to say that you do not have ingame friends outside your clan?
Friends from clans you were member in the past?
Problem with playing with members of other clan in same vanguard can be solved, just like it is now in hunt assists and double ambushes.
Changing the interface so you can invite someone specificaly.
I do not think it is a big problem to do, and i am sure that it will be implemented in time.
And the problem with with PvP can also be easily solved if clan bonuses would be inactive in tournaments.
It is unfair to non MC players.
All quite easy to implement i guess. | I joined russian clan, but i am still in A&D skype room, and still think of A&D as my friends.
Nothing will change that.
You kinda proofed my point.
It is bad when you are part of one clan community and part of another clan ingame. If you feel the need to split it up that way I feel the game has failed.
But it is your choice ofc, I just cannot see the point of joining another clan an still be in EW chat room. Also I pick my clan for its values not activity. If you feel that colossus has better values tahn AnD then fine if not then why join colossus?
Friends from clans you were member in the past?
I think you are mixing it up, a clan is community with a fixed organization. Friendship is different imo
And the problem with with PvP can also be easily solved if clan bonuses would be inactive in tournaments.
It is unfair to non MC players.
My criticism is not based on things that could have been...
It is based on what is. At the moment it is not fair and activity is more important than skill. It is a bad direction IMO |
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