| Author | Spreading FSP over factions |
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i wish i had thought of changing factions more when i was low level
Really? Look at me. I have faction level 3 instead of 6, because I did spread faction. That means that I have -1 attack, -1 defence and -3% ini and -70 skeletons, but 12%, 9% or 0% damage reduction in PVP than a normal player has. Making me an very easy foe to beat. And the rest of the game I'm simply so much underpowered that it is no joy playing me at all.
And for that I did spend millions of gold. I fail to see what is the benefit of spreading faction. |
| The best way is to combine rise your main faction and spreading to another ones for absorb damage in PvP since lvl 1 . Look at me for example , I have 7th lvl wizard SP and 15% absorb vs. any faction . It's very economician , I pay only about 300K gold for this instead of several millions on lvl 14-15 . |
Look at me for example , I have 7th lvl wizard SP and 15% absorb vs. any faction .
And you really think that this damage reduction in PVP only against five of six faction will cover the -2 attack -1% ini -12.5% less spell damage and weaker mini-artifacts that you have in EVERY fight? (Compared Faction level 6 and 7) |
And you really think that this damage reduction in PVP only against five of six faction will cover the -2 attack -1% ini -12.5% less spell damage and weaker mini-artifacts that you have in EVERY fight? (Compared Faction level 6 and 7)
I compair FL 7 and 8 , not 6 and 7 . Also , attack isn't very significant for Wizard . Minies , yes , its are a bit weaker , but lets see in the future , I have my 15% already and the more exp and lvl ups me and my opponents will reach , the less will be difference in our main FL . |
for Elwira:
Behind my point of view you have a perfect FSP distribution. Your main faction don't suffer a lot (and will rationally less and less during the game) but you have a decent faction resistance + at least for me even more important good starting point for the future, when/if you will decide to play with other factions. |
i always believe knights vs elf is like cat on the wall... it can go eitherway... because of you loads of luck,critical and initiative vs knights defence and stun...
the faction which triggers special abilities in crucial times will win mate...
i dont think your fsp helped you ther....
pay close attention my friend, I have 4 luck and 4 morale and 40% chance of critical, so it's quite normal to burst. but... look at his luck hit on my unicorn by paladin... do you still think luck is on my side? |
For Liuker,
I was a bit astonished to see a player as experienced as your opponent play so poorly in that battle. I think the battle was not as one-sided as it could have been because she made too many bad moves. Perhaps she felt that it was a sure win that she didn't need to be careful (I do that all the time), or that because she clearly had you outgunned, it was courteous to let you win some fsp and exp.
I think it would be a mistake for you to think that you had a chance in this battle. You played well, but had the battle been closer, your opponent might have played differently. |
for Geryon:
Still, right now you don't give any proof that spreading fsp is worse than focusing on one at high level. I wrote a long post but you just ignored it. From my CG experience, the fsp damage decrease is extremely important. You can look up the result of last minor tour. Lv 14 winner Phase from our clan, has multiple fsp spread with his major faction Wiz 9. The Lv 13 winner also has multiple fsp spreading.
BTW, I don't think Liuker's opponenet did anything terribly wrong. Liuker's knight fsp had a large effect on that battle. |
After reading the opinions of others, I still believe cross-training is CRITICAL in PvP battles.
Currently at combat level 12, I have dedicated 30% of my total fsp in my 'nemesis' races against my main faction: necro and having them at faction level 5 is good enough for me atm i.e. I will be in trouble for 30% of my battles agaisnt a one-race dedicated opponent.
As a necro, I am always weary of offensive magic towards me, since i can not dispell, do not have cheap resistance talent, and the only way around this is to cross-train in those magic-oriented races. Soon I will be training anti-wizard... becasue they will annilate my army with meteor soon...
Also, being a relatively slow and non-moral race, I have to be careful of those 'high metabolic' races.
Now, my weakness are 'lessened' and I am going to dedicate the rest of my lordswm life in necro.. until something pops up and a faction level 6 for my nemesis races is required. |
I don't give any proof that spreading fsp is worse because that was never my point. I just said that it's not better, or at least, not worth the trouble. Besides, Grusharaburas and Liuker already made my point for me (Grusha: he had to use overwhelming arts to defeat his specialist opponent, and Liuker: despite playing poorly, his opponent still won, although, admittedly, due to superior arts).
I did not respond to your post because any use of ru examples is irrelevant to me and warrants no reply. You can talk religion for all I care. Besides, I was going to let the matter rest because, honestly, I've said more than my piece, until Grusha posted that phony example that kind of peeved me, and I had to respond to that.
And yes, if pvp is all you're interested in, then by all means grind and grind until you raise levels in all factions. I see people that are willing to lose hundreds of battles against AI opponents just so they "might" have some slight edge against human opponents in one battle. There are exceptions, but in general, the people who have high levels in all factions also tend to have the most atrocious win/loss ratio (with most of those losses coming from the grinding against AI). Again, if you find that enjoyable, go for it.
Just as you can find examples of winners who are extreme generalists, you can also find examples of winners who are specialists. I see no clear indication that generalists dominate minor tournaments. Since spreading fsp is so much more costly and time-consuming, shouldn't you expect clear rewards in pvp?
I don't think Liuker's opponenet did anything terribly wrong
You're kidding me! I had to check to make sure her troops weren't under the effect of ale. |
You're kidding me! I had to check to make sure her troops weren't under the effect of ale.
point out what specific move he/she did wrong or I'll say you are making your points up
I did not respond to your post because any use of ru examples is irrelevant to me and warrants no reply.
you mean irrelevant? lmao... dont you know admin balance our server by .ru's minor tour result? |
I see no clear indication that generalists dominate minor tournaments. Since spreading fsp is so much more costly and time-consuming, shouldn't you expect clear rewards in pvp?
Just cheched the top places of 3rd minor tournament for level 13 and 14 and it seems that most of the highest placed participants have some faction levels in at least a few other races. |
to Liuker:
pay close attention my friend, I have 4 luck and 4 morale and 40% chance of critical, so it's quite normal to burst. but... look at his luck hit on my unicorn by paladin... do you still think luck is on my side?
thats why i said its like cat on the wall:-p
you had 4 luck, 4 morale, 40% chance of critical damage and 21% faction resistance...
but still you lost because... do you know why?
because of your low fsp( just by 1 level).... her fsp bonus helped her mate also extra troops.
1) she(knight) had better defensive arts, defensive talent and her crucial stun |
| sorry for double post, plz ignore the last line. mistakely typed that |
grats to those who spreaded faction and got tgi before lg was changed...
now u have to decide wether u wanna have tgi or another faction/factions
game should be called lords of money and money now^^
:/ |
Grusha: he had to use overwhelming arts to defeat his specialist opponent
We never disputed the superiority of specialists in lower levels. Let me reiterate my post on the first page:
Spreading points on several factions is a boring chore but absolutely necessary if you plan to play against other players a lot and if you plan to play the game for a long time. In my opinion, 1 level on all factions is mandatory and 3 levels would be highly recommended. You also have to remember that while it is easier to cross train at lower levels, it's actually much more advantageous to specialize at lower levels. It is only in higher levels where overspecialization starts to hurt.
The battle I shared was not to show the superiority of spreading points. It was merely to show that:
1. Purist Elves are not as unbeatable as you claimed them to be.
2. Spreading points can be useful at times.
I'm really sorry that peeved you, Geryon. That wasn't my intention, I swear. XD |
| Just to reopen this debate a little, I have had a look around and so far MoxSapphire is the only one I have seen who has a clean record in the current tourney. On top of that in the one battle I have fought in tourney, resistance of level 14 opponent certainly contributed to their significant win, though I think they would have got us soundly anyway even without it. |
Found another straight tourney wins so far, omega22, who is also a cross trainer as it were.
Obviously this is a small sample, it will be interesting to see if it runs true with the final results |
