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@ DEATHisNEAR
You are as entertaining as always ;) You are only answering to one simple thing saying you didn't use any dots in your topic title. That can easily be explained by the fact that the forum ignores spaces and dots were used to show the length of your topic title.
Also good job ignoring everything else XD Silence is acceptance. | | for Halvspak:
Kotrin doesnt need to be professional anymore, he is a single player, and we have seen in the past that single player can do, well, whatever they want :) | Dear Halvspak, dear friend,
I am deeply moved by your statement, implying that I was no better mod than Queen_Amanda seems to be.
Right, in both case, a ban has been reverted. If you look at things no closer than that, that's probably enough for you, but I hope someone holding accusations as strong as yours - ready to revert months of enduring friendship in the process - would have had a closer look.
For example, consider that the 3 days ban I gave to DEATHisNEAR was fully deserved. It has been reverted by Sven91, but we actually never discussed it. I'm sure that if he had, if I exposed him all the facts presented here...
http://www.warriors-guild.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1059
(I'm sure you already read all, didn't you?)
... Sven91 would have understood, and certainly not lifted the ban. Or perhaps he would have still lifted it, who knows. But the point is that my ban was anything but baseless.
But let's get back to Queen_Amanda's abusive two months ban. It has been lifted. Where is the context, the heavy case causing this evil, corrupted player to be banned for sixty days... on his second forum post? Perhaps this lengthy ban is a way of welcoming new players, maybe? "Welcome to Lords of War and Money, enjoy reading only for two months! *BAM*"
I would be most pleased to read Queen_Amanda's comments, and lengthy and persuasive explanation telling why cooum fully deserved the wrath of Queen_Amanda. That would be most interesting to read, but for reasons escaping me, she's Stonewalling instead (pardon me Grunge for re-using your excellent expression.)
And "three" and "sixty" aren't the same in my eyes, but I'm an old chap indulging in details.
The rest of your post is a pointless rant not deserving any further comment. If you're the honest player you claim to be, I'm sure our friendship will survive this.
Yours sincerely,
Kotrin | | The discussions here are interesting, everyone is trying to talk nice and formal, that's cute, but where are the admins to answer all these things? So far this thread seems to go on forever. | for DarkSooth:
You can be sure there will be a lot of these discussions in the near future DarkSooth :) All for your and my entertainment | for Dan-Panic:
Yes I fully realize that Kotrin is no longer a representative LWM, and thus can now do as he pleases. Considering that I must now assume this actions and behavior now is his true self as opposed to his actions and behavior when he was a Mod. And yes he can now do and say what he likes, and in doing so is subject to the same restrictions, or moderating, as the rest of us. | for Halvspak:
Restrictions and Moderate...What ? I have never seen such in this thread :) | for Kotrin:
I can no longer tell your sincerity from your sarcasm, so how much you are really moved by my statements is a mystery to me.
I do regret having to make a post so directed at you, however all my other attempts to post reasonable and civil comments have been ignored by people, instead choosing to focus on posts that are easier to argue against.
In my book wrong is wrong, a mistake is a mistake, an error is an error. Sure some are worse than others, but that is subjective, and really of small relevance.
If your error (which to my knowledge you have never admitted to) of a 3 day ban is so much less severe than a 60 day ban then why dont you apologize for it? Why do you demand something that you could not do for something so small?
You can call my post #542 a pointless rant if you like, but the change in who I thought you were and who you are now are just so obvious to me.
Since you resigned as a Mod your posts are so much like those you were against as a Mod it amazes me. You have on occasion even resorted to things you gave others bans for. I guess you are a player now and that is your right, but I think it speaks volumes towards your character if you so quickly and easily discard the values he had for the ones you once opposed.
As for our friendship surviving... I would eagerly embrace a friendship from the Kotrin of a few months ago. For this new Kotrin, I dont think he cares for this game or anyone but himself. | for Halvspak:
It also shows how professional he can be in position of power, dont you think. If he is that much different then what he were, maybe it is because the guy had a real talent for being there.
You see the wrong in that, I see the right.
Kotrin is now a player like you and Robai and Erebes. He can now speak his own mind, whenever, wherever he wants to. He is different then what he was before, I think not, I think he was professional before, using a more polite and constructive way to speak to every players but we all can see where it brought him.
I would like to congratulate Kotrin for his professionalism when he was a mod.
I couldnt do better for sure. | for Dan-Panic:
If what you say is true and Kotrin's behavior before was only different because he was a Mod then that to me is even more troubling. Because that makes it even more likely that he would allow his personal bias to affect how and who he moderates.
I think he did do a good job as a Mod, as all Mods do most the time. But if what you are saying is true I should have respect for the position of Mod and not Kotrin. I believe it is the person that makes the position not the other way around. | for Halvspak:
Why I use the word professionalism in my post and I dont see it in your post. Thats something I miss, might be because Im not english native speaker. But it seems to me that everyones takes what I see and distort it in any non-sense way.
At least I have my fun today.
I wonder when we will have honest players. | for Dan-Panic:
Yes I do think language differences magnify many misunderstandings of people. As I have said previously, and it makes me wonder why so many Mods are not native english speakers.
The reason you do not see professionalism in my post is because I see it (Kotrins behavior before and after being a Mod) as a bad thing and not a good thing.
Did you not see me state I think he did do a good job as a Mod, as all Mods do most the time.
Perhaps he needs or deserves more credit than that. But it troubles me when I hear a former Mod saying and doing things that he once told others not to do. It does not make me think wow that person was really a good Mod, or professional, if they can enforce negative behavior from others that they now engage in since they are no longer a Mod.
Actually it makes me think... is their more bias in their Moderating than I had previously thought?
I wonder when we will have honest players.
Are you saying I am not being honest? Perhaps consider your own statements and those of others more carefully before suggesting players are dishonest. | for Halvspak:
Im not stating you are a dishonest player, I just do wonder when moderators will be no longer needed. I should have add, honest and using common sense, using an civilized attitude. I dont see that much in forums or game lately. It seems to me that this kind of mentally has been forgot.
As for Kotrin using the same sentences he was banning when he was mod, I see it as a way to express the fact that him resigning, the forums would become less moderated and less civilized. You see, when you are proning something and you get thrown down for it, you can use the other way around to show how right you were before. A bit like reverse psychology.
Anyways, Im not in Kotrin's mind, I can't say exactly thats what he wants to create with his posts and topics, but one can see it that way. | If what you say is true and Kotrin's behavior before was only different because he was a Mod then that to me is even more troubling.
Whatever Kotrin thinks, believes or states NOW or in the FUTURE can't and won't ever change what he did as a mod (good or bad), but would only subjectivize the way YOU see what he did. | for DarkSooth:
Yes you are correct his actions as a Mod is what it is. But how one perceives can change. Just like if you have kids and your neighbor who has lived next to you for 10 plus years gets arrested for having child pornography. You might view your neighbors actions differently... and wonder if he ever had ill intent.
No mod can or should be compared to such things, I make no comparisons just using that as an example of how a persons actions can be viewed differently when you find out more about them. | for Halvspak:
Yes, that is correct.
However, that does not make him a bad neighbor, but a bad human. He can still be a good neighbor: bring you pies, prevent his dogs from running on your lawn, not listen music loudly or anything that would make him a bad neighbor.
He could have been a danger for your kids anyway. If you want to say something about him, you'd say he's a pedo or a bad human, not a bad neighbor. | Kotrin here, Kotrin there... This obsession with me is boring at times. And how nice and sensible comparison with child pornography now.
True, I maintained a "professional face" (or poorly tried to) while being a mod. It's part of the job, like enduring criticism, being despised, never criticize admins or fellow mods actions in public, etc. That's really the basics. I did it for long because I thought it helped the community as a whole. People banned by me hold a different view of it, of course.
With resignation I earned my freedom back, including freedom of speech.
Since you resigned as a Mod your posts are so much like those you were against as a Mod it amazes me. You have on occasion even resorted to things you gave others bans for. I guess you are a player now and that is your right, but I think it speaks volumes towards your character if you so quickly and easily discard the values he had for the ones you once opposed.
Actually, I don't think I've been banned since I resigned, so my post must have been within the boundaries of current rules interpretation by remaining mods - or perhaps just been lucky, who knows.
As for the values I so easily discard, I'd like you to elaborate (by PM maybe, this is off-topic after all.) | for DarkSooth:
I never said that would make him a bad neighbor or a bad human. I said you might think differently about them... you would likely worry and think back about every time they were around your children or even looked at them.
for Kotrin:
Please dont try and manipulate my words I clearly said...
No mod can or should be compared to such things, I make no comparisons
Ive never said you should be banned for anything. What I said was you once encouraged people, through moderation, to act a certain way. Now that you are no longer a Mod you are acting in ways that you told others not to, or criticized them for it. If you disagreed with what they did or said then, how can you act the same way now and pretend your behavior is correct each way.
I think I will stop posting in this thread for awhile again, people only see what they want to and twist words to fit their view anyways.
If more people did what they thought was right instead of what they think others get away with Mods jobs would be much easier. Two wrongs dont make a right. I get the feeling you got feed up with others acting in a way you didnt think was right, frustrated you are now acting the same way. You are allowed to act however you like though. I just wish it was in a way that was helping things and not contributing to problems.
I guess I should shut up now, Im just sick of how much people can all want the same thing but disagree about it so much. 95% of everything we are talking about is so petty. If we had more involvement from admin and some events and what not the few people that are bickering in this thread would likely care less about these small things. | Halvspak, if you don't start by reading this you'll never ever understand.
http://www.warriors-guild.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1059 |
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