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You see it that way we see it another. In the end we can agree our relationship is not the best, so why force it?
I am not forcing, it wasnt me who implied that Other clans are not amicable.. | I am not forcing, it wasnt me who implied that Other clans are not amicable..
Amicable can be used to reefer to an relationship.
And Laitha just said that relationship between us was not amicable. It is not about you or us. It is about our combined relationship.
"Amicable is particularly used of relationships or agreements (especially legal proceedings, such as divorce), with meaning ranging from simply “not quarrelsome, mutually consenting” to “quite friendly”."
But again, no need to discuss it here. Things are as they are. Think people are more interested in the event than this drama :D | I want this event to end or change. I and others have mentioned it in ICC, I also made some suggestion in idea section, but don't think we/I will be heard. :o( - hehe people are not interested in teh event, we want it just to end:P
They may be need some drama to get them out of boredom;D | It is good to have some kind of agreement with a few clans and help each other out occasionally, but it can't be a daily thing. Each MC has to be realistic about how many mines they can hold over an extended period of time and only ask for help when it is really needed - like the unlucky double defenses that pop up from time to time.
Who spoke about daily help? I meant help in some double/triple defenses or an attack if needed and if having members to spare of course. And with compensation to helpers even.
Communications between the leading members of MCs should be the starting point. Trying to sneak in the back door and ask normal MC members to leave their clan temporarily to help out your clan is not the way.
You must be joking calling that a sneak attack. Seriously now, can't somebody ask a friend if he is in a different clan to help? Clan mates aren't slaves you know... | Nobody spoke of daily help, I was just saying how I thought it can work.
And don't you think you might receive more help if there is an agreement between clans before you go asking one mate to help you? What difference is one fighter going to make if you really need help anyway? I don't get why you think it is perfectly normal for a player to leave one MC and join another without the leadership agreeing to it - that has never ever happened before. | Guess it's true, foreigners are stubborn, ignorance and fools.
Weird comment, who is the foreigners. Many from Russian speaking clans are non Russian?
Also very generalising and sad comment.
As they call it, "The Yankees" from .com(not all of them ofcourse, some are happy that we got here).
English speaking MC's should put their hands together. And all of that starts with communication. | I don't get why you think it is perfectly normal for a player to leave one MC and join another without the leadership agreeing to it
well, you may simply not accept that particular player back and he/she can stay where he is wanted.
I can understand management concerns if
a) that player left his clan at a critical time when his sword is needed
b) he joined to a clan where mutual clan interests conflict (forgive lack of english, actualy trying to say : joined to a clan your clan considers enemy)
As I read from last 2 pages, Tony beeing in PM blocked etc etc, option B feels more likely.
P.S. What happend to democratic ideals of Empire's Wrath ? Not applicable to this case I suppose. | for Lady Laitha:
It would be more efficient to have agreement to get enough players, no doubt.
But it has happened to us a member leaving on his own for merc work and get back later (and why shouldn't he?), he is not the leaders belonging, it would seem a bit oppressive to me if he would be scolded for that :P | A lot of misunderstanding here.
We have not denied people to go other places. LL was not even home at the time. I said I would really not like it because I got bullied but Tony relentlessly for a long period of time. As soon as yesterday he trolled me/us. Some can say it is innocent, but you do that with friends not people who has clearly stated that they don't wish it.
Laitha statement seems obvious to me, we have never asked a member w/o going to leader first, nor would we. At one point we was in a situation where we could use help but leader and deputy was offline so we did nothing. Again nothing to do with this situation, this is just how we feel. We would not do it to others and would not expect people doing it to us. We can disagree here, but that statement had nothing to do with efl more the situation of it an normal manners.
I can understand management concerns if
a) that player left his clan at a critical time when his sword is needed
b) he joined to a clan where mutual clan interests conflict (forgive lack of english, actualy trying to say : joined to a clan your clan considers enemy)
As I read from last 2 pages, Tony beeing in PM blocked etc etc, option B feels more likely.
P.S. What happend to democratic ideals of Empire's Wrath ? Not applicable to this case I suppose.
EFL is not an enemy, I like many members from there. EFL is never really mentioned in our chat or forum. So no good or bad feelings. The democracy process has nothing to do with me saying I would rather not want to help Tony out since he has done anything possible to make me miserable, and after WGW and EC merged into EW also trolled EW after that and even tried to deny us a clan thread.
About the democratic process it seems that EFL and AnD members have problem with this not EW. A cooperation between EFL and EW is possible but not with current leader situation. But I am not a permanent member of council, I am there on the wishes of Laitha and Ektoras. They can decide to make an offical arrangement and I would step down. No hard feelings at all.
Is there not anything better to do than to make my and Tony bad blood fill the forum? Cannot see me or EW has done anything wrong here. I am sorry EFL is having problems but it cannot be mine or EW responsibility.
Can we please forget about this? Cannot see why there is any problem, and even if there is why it is not exclusively EW and EFL's instead of an public discussion | Democracy is about everyone getting an equal representation in the clan voting system and is not at all applicable in this case since there was no clan vote :p.
But this is getting far too attacking for my tastes. No MC should have to defend its internal decisions in a forum thread. In fact it isn't appropriate to have them discussed at all.
English speaking MC's should put their hands together. And all of that starts with communication.
I'm guessing you didn't have this kind of communication in mind :p | About the democratic process it seems that EFL and AnD members have problem with this not EW.
well well wait a min Mr funnyGuy i want know what is AnD problem with EW democratic process? when we said it and who said ? | well well wait a min Mr funnyGuy i want know what is AnD problem with EW democratic process? when we said it and who said ?
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P.S. What happend to democratic ideals of Empire's Wrath ? Not applicable to this case I suppose. | | This thread starts looking more like a bickering between drunken chicken, rather than discussion about the (ongoing, neverending) Survilurgov pest... And when I thought I stay clear of all the soap opera drama, if I turn off the tv... | well well wait a min Mr funnyGuy i want know what is AnD problem with EW democratic process? when we said it and who said ?
#487
P.S. What happend to democratic ideals of Empire's Wrath ? Not applicable to this case I suppose.
lol that is just a question, you have to answer it, it doesn't mean that we questioned your democratic structure. i still belive it must be an answerable question. | for Lord Khellendros:
So who says u A&D have any problem regarding democracy? | A leading question imo, but who cares and why are we still arguing.
Lets say you where right, I was wrong. I misread it.
EW has done nothing wrong but seems like people are out to get us. If people want to make cooperation they are free to do so, they can also approach us. If we are not interested they can approach each other. AnD and EFL can help each other out if they want, I wish you all the luckj as long as your interest don't conflict with ours, which seems unlikely since non of us is fighting in same region.
But why twist our arm to making decisions in the forum and why keep arguing...
Let this discussion die already | | I am sorry if stating Facts is trolling to you, clan Empire Wrath is nowhere to be found, its a fact, not a matter for a discussion, look at your clan name. Yes i am innocent, if someone says the truth, he is innocent. | 1. What actually is the difference in being a member of normal clan and military clan(war clan)?
Normal person with a real life, playing game in free/spare time for fun vs. Professional LWM player being told what fun really is.
2. Are you strong enough to be a member of MC?
A character's strength has nothing to do with it. Only thing that matters is weather you have a job/family/real life obligations. Or not...
You are joking, right?
No one asked members to play 4 defense battles per day.
If you look at my post #422 you can see that an average member could play 1 battle every 3 days, without losing much gold, or time.
And by doing so, helping his clan, and his clan mates.
Now, mate if you are not ready to sacrifice a little bit of your time and gold for helping your clan, maybe it is really better for you to be out of an MC.
Because you are not a team player.
And that is perfectly fine, everyone has the right to play as he wishes.
But he also has obligations to help his clan, if he is a member of an MC.
Obligations to his clan mates who are busting their asses to defend clan facilities.
I guess most of you noticed the "new MC in town"
https://www.lordswm.com/clan_info.php?id=7777
Very successful lads.
Did you tried to translate their profile page?
First thing they say:
If you are active, you are immortal.
And rule #3 for joining the clan:
-obligatory participation in clan events
I have a family also. I am currently unemployed, but starting to work on monday, so i will play much less now, ofc, but will play at least one battle a day.
And every of these days while i played much, i helped my wife to clean household, every day i am cooking lunch, shopping groceries, seeing my friends...
And i know several people in my clan with families.
Lord dabo and Gnjavator for example, they are closest to me, so i know.
Wife, children, job...
And they play defenses also.
No one can convince me that he cant play at least 5-6 defense battles per month.
Just not true.
Only thing that matters is will.
When there is a will there is a way.
https://www.lordswm.com/clan_info.php?id=1209
Why did they stop participating in this event?
You remember those "monster russians" with heaps of fsp?
They did that by playing events.
This is the best chance to narrow the gap between you.
Excellent question, actually i was thinking to put them in my first post as an example.
I can not tell for sure, ofc, but i think they realized that by doing the event they will ruin their fsp advantage.
They get more xp, because of this new xp penalty rule.
Perhaps they know something we do not.
Like, when PvP battles for facilities start, they will have the same advantage in fsp that they had right after the merge.
Those .ru clans that participate in event have lowered their advantage i think.
But then again, this is only my guess, cant say anything for sure.
As you can see there is many factors, but to be honest I chose my clan after structure, friendliness and members and I think EW is the best (That is why I am in it). And you may chose after mine health (That is why you are in AnD)
There is no one truth, so when you say AnD is the best that is your view.
Now, no offense, but i find this argument really amusing.
It is like i would say "those Olympic winners are wrong, it does not really matter that they won medals, i find my athletic club friendlier then theirs, so me and my friends are actually world champions".
Now please read this carefully.
Any MC who strives to be competitive to russian MCs, i mean.
Seems to me A&D is on best way to become one such MC, and i am really proud to be part of that community.
I am truly sorry, i meant no disrespect to you as a player, or your clan.
Nor am i saying that your clan is not good.
Just saying that AnD is more successful in events.
| LL was not even home at the time
So where LL was?& who is LL?
I am really clueless with this abbreviation now : EC,EW,LL..
Plz we need an index of this now :D | who is LL?
Lizard Lowlands |
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