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higher lvl normal wiz are only for money players
in fact, pvp tournament is very hard for non-diamond-upgrade players regardless which faction you are. in high level it is extremely significant since most players are more or less experienced.
not only diamond upgraded creatures, but also most diamond characters are stronger built and more experienced than non diamond characters in average.
if you think it is unfair, try to avoid pvp tournaments in du levels, but you will eventually find those same people standing on medals in non du levels. |
"Skill" is not really a thing anymore in high Levels.
i can understand your feeling, it is easy to image when you(fsp9) lose to a fsp11 but ill-played player, it is really frustrated.
but remember, most of those medalists are not only strong in character build, but also very skillful and experienced. (except some lucky dogs such as me :)) |
(except some lucky dogs such as me :))
Ohh plz xD
I saw all your battles, and they were pretty smooth + your character build is great
IMO, you are one of the best players at your lvl if not the best :) |
for Fallen Atheros,
you said that unholy doesnt need attention, yet we still lose badly (at cl15+) from half the classes before the start button is pressed, we win classes that are not used in pvp(and dwarfs) and can only have a real fight with hk. we really have only one build to play with and the nature magic build wins when the opponent gets so bored from the battle duration that presses auto button.we do better only in mixed and when we are not the higher level in the team.There is no class at this level that loses so easy by so many other classes.
well we got some attention 2 balances ago and lost a dragon. |
we still lose badly (at cl15+) from half the classes before the start button is pressed
Unholy has a decent chance against necro,knight,hk,dwarf,de both might and chaos,elf,wizard,demon.more than half? you are not supposed to crush every faction.beating those charmers,furies and bw's is very difficult event with all mighty people thinking tribal...
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Unholy was introduced to cover necros inability to deal with chaos magic.
we win classes that are not used in pvp(and dwarfs)
i find this funny,all classes are usable at pvp.its the players who decide to play with which one
There is no class at this level that loses so easy by so many other classes.
shadow barb says hi
well we got some attention 2 balances ago and lost a dragon.
more reason that it was too strong and still is in its niche |
atheros, check the table here(http://lgnd.ru/gt/balance/lvl/15), then talk.
who said that classes are not usable?i said that some are not used.i find it even funnier that you dont get it. |
More than half of lvl16 gold medalists are TDE in the MT36... DE and TDE combined got almost 70% of gold there :p
As for the original topic of this thread, zero wizzies got gold on lvl16, and just 2 silvers |
| Even one fls11 TDE got 100% wins, which is quite impressive |
But only lvl 16 TDE stands out not in other lvls. Below 14 there almost none got gold & silver.
Not so OP class after all. |
But only lvl 16 TDE stands out not in other lvls. Below 14 there almost none got gold & silver.
Yeap of course depends on lvl. That's how it always goes, factions get better and worse across the levels. But on 16 TDE is OP atm, no? ;) |
for Lady sofiouta:
nothing to check there,unholy got around 50% win rate against all classes and this situation is same for all other factions, no reason to whine, instead you have to check if you are using the right build... |
| unholy is always good, as well as shadow bb. but alt de is too op and too popular now, which make some factions who stand no chance against alt de very poor.(dwarf, alt elf, etc.) this is why we cannot say some faction is "weak" only because its low overall winning rate. |
for atheros:
i find it funny the way you read numbers.the around 50% win rate is for all battles, not for all classes.the table is from 2010 were no charmer and a lot other alts (eg bw) were around and that's why the results are near 50%.222 wins against classic elf is about 20% of the wins.if you consider all other classes that were introduced in the meanwhile the percentage will drop bellow 30%.that thing never happens anymore.eg there are no classic elves or chaos wiz in pvp or at least are very rare.
here(http://lgnd.ru/mt35/balance/lvl/15) you will see the results of the 35th mt were the percentage is 31% and unholy lost hands down by 9 classes.
there is no point in analyzing the numbers more.
you dont want to understand or you dont have the experience to do so, with 98 points in cg at 17cl. on some previous post of yours you asked a player how does he knows what is going on at higher levels being lower than you. How the hek do you know about pvp with cg 0 and 98 points?i find it funny to have such a strong opinion on things you dont know. |
for Lady sofiouta:
the overall winning percent is worthless when the sample is too little. when most people choice to play the other alt, only several weak players stand on this alt, which make that data useless.
instead of this, it is more reasonable to check the data of some good players of that faction, such as http://lgnd.ru/mt27/rating/lvl/15/r/102 (unholy has 1 more dragon during that time) |
for rr:
1 more dragon and no charmer at that time.very useful data indeed.when was the date of those battles?i think i remember a time that raise costed about 3 mana.why not choosing that period?results might suit you better? 100 battles are a small sample but 200 is fine for you when server activity is reduced at 1/3?Most people choose to play the other alt for good reason and the reason is that un is weak.some still like to play unholy.That preference doesnt make them weak.it is the class that is weak because we perform at least twice better when choosing classic. |
| forgot to mention all the new "shop arts" we got now,sice,what was that, mid 2014? |
for Lady sofiouta:
that link is when i'm still in lv15, it is long after the change of raise for unholy.
people do not chose unholy because they think it is weak, but this do not mean that it is really weak.
i do not know too much about necro story but we can check lv17 dark demon for an example, if you look up the data you will find in the last two mt there are hardly any dark demon finished the tournament get more than 50% winning rate, but i never think it is because dark demon is weak, the reason is the best demon player immortal is playing red demon and most other demon players are copying his build. only some weak players who do not even know to copy are using dark demon, which made the data meaningless. |
the reason is the best demon player immortal is playing red demon and most other demon players are copying his build. only some weak players who do not even know to copy are using dark demon, which made the data meaningless.
Didn't you advocate for experimenting new builds earlier?
forgot to mention all the new "shop arts" we got now,sice,what was that, mid 2014?
Yeah, that would be nice to have shield "shop art" or magic cloack but we'll probably get a dagger belt armor, a pointy (ear) cask and luck rings.
But only lvl 16 TDE stands out not in other lvls. Below 14 there almost none got gold & silver.
Not so OP class after all.
Whitch upgrade is very strong to confuse shooters before being shot. It's still getting balanced probably though as they tweaked summon numbers and liz abilities, so admins need data to mine. Balance is very wrong in duels though, and adding more classes won't make it any better.
the overall winning percent is worthless when the sample is too little. when most people choice to play the other alt, only several weak players stand on this alt, which make that data useless.
How do you know? In practice everyone must know copying provided he went to kindergarten where you would copy people that know how to write, that can't be a criteria for good play.
instead of this, it is more reasonable to check the data of some good players of that faction
Good pumped players will always perform well. Your data is biased.
nothing to check there,unholy got around 50% win rate against all classes and this situation is same for all other factions, no reason to whine, instead you have to check if you are using the right build...
It has 38% or less win rate against half of factions; surely you can't call that balanced.
shadow barb says hi
Maybe there's a reason why admins buffed in the same update shadow and unholy's troops? |
for Lady sofiouta:
What do you sugest to change about Unholy Necromancer? I am not experienced playing this faction, and I am really interested in know the opnions of experienced necromancers (not irony). I find the faction pretty fun, it's play style is somewhat unique among all the classes.
for RevolutionRebel:
the reason is the best demon player immortal is playing red demon and most other demon players are copying his build
Good point, the best players usually dictate the standard because, after all, everybody wants to have those awesome win ratings.
for Slust:
Excellent point.
Good pumped players will always perform well. Your data is biased. |
for Lady sofiouta:
Those data are not strong base for calculating which faction is good or bad,you can't simply say a faction is weak beacause they didnt perfom well in some tourney,you can keep whining and insulting me but that doesnt change the fact unholy is strong but many including you are unable to play it well. |
