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I am not against wearing arts, but I wear ONLY when i need them. I disgree we need to wear them all the time. That's our choice.
I would suggest the admins ENCOURGE not FORCE players to wear arts.
For example, the skill point and/or exp could be related to an coefficient to the arts AP you are wearing. Let's say, x% extra skill points for wearing arts, where x equal to the AP value | I am not against wearing arts, but I wear ONLY when i need them. I disgree we need to wear them all the time. That's our choice.
I would suggest the admins ENCOURGE not FORCE players to wear arts.
For example, the skill point and/or exp could be related to an coefficient to the arts AP you are wearing. Let's say, x% extra skill points for wearing arts, where x equal to the AP value
I'm not against wearing them either but what is the point when a medium threat hunt - like the last 2 of my fights - is like fighting an impossible hunt even if you had an assist as well. The fact I had full arts was immaterial, I wasn't going to win with a rocket launcher!! | <i>Oh, urgone! That was harsh!
So, all the players who will leave because of some stupid rules are cowards? Oh, my God! I didn't know we have such a "brave" hero among us! His dids are sung by everybody! I feel so pathetic... :D
Oh, com'on, cut the crap! If you are a masochist, not everybody from here is. If you like "tough" things, it's your problem! But don't bitch everyone who came here to have some fun and not being slave just for few points of experience.</i>
I'd say a masochist is somebody who likes playing in a game where people have figured out the way to win is to lose as often as possible. Most of the rule changes are designed to reward winning more and penalize (instead of reward) losing. I don't know if there was a better way to implement it or not, but I don't find it any fun for most group battles to include at least one person who is either afk or does little more than click randomly and get rewarded for it (too bad for their partner).
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I have just done a hunt which it said was a medium threat.
I went in with FULL arts and didn't stand a chance!!</i>
As far as I know, none of the changes had anything to do with the threat ratings. If that's a screwup of the admins, it's one that's been there all along and you only now managed to hit it. | the colour of the dot that indicates the difficulty (white, yellow, red, etc)
is based on the top hunters records, but since those monsters are new, there are no top hunters records, so the game gives it an easy dot
But when there are records for your level, it ll say the correct color | pff... C'mon people...
Sword of retribution - AP5, less than 150 gold / battle... There is goes for level 5!
Level 6? Add an Amulet of Luck, 60 / battle, and you have AP6...
Equilibrium blade - AP6, 230 gold / battle, you can combine with Amulet of Luck.
Oh no! I hear poor little players crying, imagine - I'm at around 300 gold per battle!!
Yeah, so what? If you are laborers' guild level 3, it's just one hour of work in a mine. Duh.
Money talks? I hope it's a lame attempt at irony. | so what, how many battles per hour?
hunting + MG + thiefing, how could you cover?
even you use the cheapest arts, how many gold you could save per hour for constructions, tier upgrade, improving smith skill, enchantment? | for yippeekiay,
i saw your last combat with ogre magi (60). I was also unlucky to hunt them but not in my personal hunt, just in combined hunts: me with 47 magi - shooters together with DE hero who had 60 ogre magi. can you imagine that. I am elf, my archers and druids were killed by magi the rest of few troops were killed by ogres magi.There were here two different strategy to beat those troops even with arts! how it's possible to combine hunts so illogically? here even arts will not help | Sword of retribution - AP5, less than 150 gold / battle... There is goes for level 5!
Level 6? Add an Amulet of Luck, 60 / battle, and you have AP6...
Equilibrium blade - AP6, 230 gold / battle, you can combine with Amulet of Luck.
Oh no! I hear poor little players crying, imagine - I'm at around 300 gold per battle!!
Yeah, so what? If you are laborers' guild level 3, it's just one hour of work in a mine. Duh.
In some days I had 20-30 battles, reckon the cost, Mr. Irony... | urgone:
What other tactics are there besides moving forward and holding back? On a two-dimensional playing field, such as is employed in this game, these are the only two options. Can I defeat ranged units without rushing them? Unlikely. Can I defeat vampires by rushing them? Unlikely. When you are prepared to challenge one type of enemy, and you are suddenly faced with an enemy which requires a different approach, how do you suggest that a fighting compromise be achieved?
You notice Skeletons (2484) that are guarding 260 gold 1 wood.
I have been preparing for this battle for over a week now. I am planning on spending at least 3000 gold in my challenge against them. If I am successful, it places me as the 4th highest knight of any level. If not, I waste 3000 gold and the chance to redefine the record. It's not about the gold, nor is it about the skill point or the experience. It's about being the best knight I can be. Suppose I take this challenge, and I am paired with someone who is facing a number of ranged units? We could not get to the ranged units with all those skeletons in the way, and we must take out the ranged units first if we are to have the full force available for the skeletons. If we take the skeletons first, then the ranged units whittle us down with leisure. It *could* be successful, depending on the preparedness of the other player, and on the actual opponent presented, but I don't like the odds. I would much rather pay an exemption fee which will ensure that I am able to face the opponent alone. In this way, I would also have the luxury of the full pre-settlement area, which is very important when you have large units, like the griffin. | "Masochism is a form of pleasure obtained through suffering." (psychoanalysis)
As long as you derive your pleasure from tough things, it makes you a masochist.
I mean no offence, but f you make a statement, you need to have strong arguments for that. What is the reward of you fighting your brains to win your hunt and the other is just an afker (and that not because you asked for assistance)? Where is the reward in using artifacts which you get them after a lot of work? Do you get every ten hunts an art? No. You will have to buy from somewhere. With what money? I need for my faction Rings of Abdication. Do you have any idea how much does one cost? If I am to buy everytime arts for hunts, when will I be able to buy those rings? Do you know how much is to train in the smith guild? 120k gp for the first level. If your hunts are inaccessible due to the fact that you hit the bottom of the purse, how do you make money to do all those things? From 2-3 hours a day you indulge yourself to be online to play? Think before posting such aberrations like calling cowards those who are against some of the new rules. | In some days I had 20-30 battles, reckon the cost, Mr. Irony...
Mr. Irony think you are playing this game a bit too much for your own good. And ironically :) it's not a bad think that this rule change makes you slow down a bit... | | Oh, Kotrin, like this game is too fast, or what? | could we proceed to have a code to enter in order to buy stuff at work places (like the code required to enroll in a facility) in order to avoid those bots that makes having resources left on work places?
also, if those bots continue to break the game, I wonder how many an artifact will cost when 4 - 5 bots are buying almost all the stock in facilities....next roll is about bots buyiong all the artifacts and selling them at greater prices!
that would be an inovation everyone except bots will like! | I hadthe 2nd hunt that I would win alone. but there were another player that crashed my hunt....
1st one I got 39 unicorns. imo no problem for my own. Then there were a wiz (lvl6) who fought vs. genies. What do do the genies do??? they go for my xbows with every spell....
Nvm the wiz was good he did all.
2nd hunt:
39 unicorns again....
And I got a demon on my side. He puts 31 wolf riders in the hunt. And he goes afk...
WHY?
I like to play on my own in hunts, why I got crushed every time?
Now I have to wait 15 minutes to restore after every hunt...
That's very sad...
No more to say :( | | 318 wolf raiders :) sry for double post | The required ammunition for lvl6 costs almost 300k per battle adding resources cost.
Assuming that every hour someone goes for a hunt, a mission and an assistance.
Let's say overall 10 battles in 4 hours.
The gold earned will be less than what spent and gold should be split since artifacts are involved.
With high LG there is less than 1k gold earnings daily in 4hrs play.
This is embarrassing :(
I am seriously thinking of quitting all battles for a period of time...
Why should hunt assist cost 300GP ?
What would XP benefit without gold for upgrades or mini arts?
Having no job access to LWM i.e. no more than 3-4 daily labor hours, can you please provide me any logical methodology to get mini arts required gold amount without 100eurs donation ????
I am not against donating for acceleration or even a fee of 5-10 EURs per month
But it is unacceptable that I can not play my class in standard terms.
Cause it will take me more than 6 months to raise some gold in standard play.
Unless you are eligible to 12 labor hours daily, game is now not competitive in gold terms if you don't donate a significant eur amount.
I ll definitely stop donating since this rule is established
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With laborers 4, its about 2:3 gold earned to gold spent. But this doesn't take into account gold earned from hunt + quests (possible elements too!). It also doesn't take into account that after you buy the artifact, it's only about 45% to replace, not 100%. | MakMak...
Let's say you use a Sword of Retribution (40 uses, 7880 gold) and Leather Armor (25 uses, 980 gold). That's 197 + 40 = 237 gold per attempt. Or a Combat Staff (40 uses, 9350 gold) which is 6 AP by itself, for 234 gold per attempt.
Then you get to sell these back when you're done with them for about 2/3 value, which reduces the cost to 80 GP per fight.
In an hour, you make what, 410 gold per hour in labor, plus the money you get from the hunt, Mercenary Quest, and/or Thieves' Quest? I'm not saying the 80 gold you'll be spending per attempt won't be missed, but it won't bankrupt you either. You'll just have to be more choosy on where to spend the remaining money.
Assuming you're successful, of course. | To xerfer 258
You are right on the rebate of used arts.
Though, with LG level 4 and 10% lost battles assuming three assists in 10 battles you are with only 700 gold earnings in 4hrs play no PvP calculated.
To collect 300k+ GP needed for mini arts it is 4 hrs daily login for over 1 year...
This is pathetic to my opinion. |
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