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It is really wonderful how any time there is any form of criticism some people can't form an argument and result into demonising instead by calling it moaning, whining, stupid players etc. Keep building up your ad hominem technique, it really suits your intelligence capability, mostly the severe lack of it. Not realising that criticism leads to betterment.
Also I never did say I mind the difficulty that now and then insane impossible quests appear, I mind the lying part. They just need to remove or revise rule 10 about it, since it is false.
@_-_Kratos_-_, I thought about starting the shrews up and keep surrounding it with troops for defense, but this had also failed against some other hunt with same 3 huge stacks with high initiative creature, had tried that one lots of times. And since the fortune genies have even higher initiative, this one was doomed to begin with.
And indeed the initial setup should be visible of the AI troops but right now I would just be glad if they fixed it that I could see the creature types of the AI troops without having the need to login on the russian site just to see them. Since it shows there then it should also show here or is that meant as just another obstacle for the .commers?
@Lord MilesTeg, you are right about their need to automate everything, with so many monsters, different AI setup of troops, stats, talents etc, the possible battle list is practicly infinite for just one combat level alone of one faction. And indeed the need to increase difficulty to keep things challenging which also leads to impossible to beat quests now and then. All this is okay by me, but you have also strengthened my point about rule 10 with them. They really need to at least revise it since it is misinformation. | for Lawton:
Be careful how you formulate your own responses - for their is a level of hypocrisy in your actions
For those who may not be aware - taken from humble wiki
ad hominem - is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly.
It would be quite reasonable to highlight your own arguing points back on the same barb you have cited other people of doing.
it really suits your intelligence capability, mostly the severe lack of it.
Attacking an attribute of a player rather than their argument itself
From your first post in this thread
And for those gullible ones
Both of these are based not around the argument itself but an attempt to discredit the argument based around a perceived negative perception of the people who support the opposing view. People in glass houses should not throw stones would perhaps be an appropriate phrase at this point. In my mind, making things personal and being, essentially rude to people, is what tends to precipitate people (such as myself) writing posts in return. I simply do not like it when people are rude- it is invariably needless. Something you yourself point out via comment on the ad hominem technique. My advice therefore is to heed your own advice!
With regard to specifics - my point was that there has not been proof that it is correct - nor proof that the rule is incorrect - only supersition of one or the other. None of the evidence you have cited is proof, just suggestive that it is very difficult and may not have occurred.
Since a) you are only concerned about the "lying" from them about rule 10 not the difficulty
and b) it has not been proven false (nor true) - but remains unprovable without database access
then c) you cannot conclude beyond reasonable doubt that it is a lie. Given this - try believing it to be true and all your annoyance will disappate
I always feel if I have a choice between two realities, neither of which I can discount versus the other - I will base my thinking primarily around the more pleasant one - with half an eye open incase it is the other. | @Lord MilesTeg, arguments? I can't find remarks as moaning, whining, stupid players etc to be of any form of an argument.
And you do realise that one of the meanings of gullible is: 'easily tricked because of being too trusting'. As in trusting anything brought forth from the administration even if it is brought without anything solid to back it up. You misread my actions for there is no level of hypocrisy in it, on the contrary I'm only defiant.
I stand by my point that rule 10 should be revised, since it is not even statistically possible.
I consider any statement made that can't be proven to be false, because the other road of it is a very dangerous one and leads to blind devotion. | for Lord MilesTeg:
I see no point keep arguing with Lawton for this issue. He just has hard time facing the fact that there are some DE players that plays much better than him, at least in hunting.
I can totally understand that, it's just human nature. Nobody wants to admit that he/she is not as good as others. If calling admins "liar" could make him feel better, just let it be. | part of 23: "I stand by my point that rule 10 should be revised, since it is not even statistically possible."
I am really curious about that.Can you provide your mathematics calculations that prove this statistical impossibility? | I saw hunts where higher level players of 17+ had trouble with only 300 of those genies, but 721? That shows this games idiocracy. And for those gullible ones: show me proof where my given combat level with my given faction has been able to beat this one instead of referring to that rule which has no basis whatsoever.
Hunter record for fortune genies DE CL 14 is 1051, for minotaur soldiers 4273. First in GH set, second in BB set, no enchants. (Hunter record for level 17 DE is 3004)
Doesn't sound too far fetched for me, that someone managed your battle in the past. With some luck on first round initiative, luck and morale triggers and not losing shrews on 2nd attack.. And yeah, all this things may have come together, as this battle was won in an event. | | ^^ actually it is not based on normal hunt record, but hunt event battle record :) were high level records are low | | I know that they are not based on hunt records, I just wanted to show, that it might be possible to beat the genies and minotaurs Lawton had in his battle. | | ok, but in normal hunt record people can choose vast verity of arts/neutral bonus... also more arrows for shooters which all restricted in hunt events/WG | @Lady sofiouta, let's just pick the boss directed army battles, there are currently 175 different creatures from all the classes that one can encounter as a boss, they can have different stats each time like unlimited retaliation etc, these monsters can also vary in levels, add to that the practicly unlimited variation of army troops even the same exact boss can have. Add to this the factor that the watcher's guild is playable from combat level 3 and onwards, with 16 different classes from level 5 and onwards, making this alone allready incomputable. So when the administration claims that every possible battle of it is already completed at the given combat level with the given faction and class, you need to be indeed gullible to believe it. Just even testing all the boss directed army ones would take years. It is clearly an automated process where randomly a boss get's selected, a certain difficulty is chosen for it and according to that points are allocated for troop selection to create an army for it. And since right now there are 9 different quest types, so yes computing them all is not even statistically possible.
@liuker, instead of twisting and trying to put words into my mouth your character somehow can't refrain himself from, show me those DE players that you are talking about, since I can't even see one of them in this hunting event list http://www.heroeswm.ru/forum_messages.php?tid=2428484 or in the first hunting event list http://www.heroeswm.ru/forum_messages.php?tid=2339828
@Hiltrud, you are talking about regular hunts where one can use hunter sets for the 40-60% more damage and even enchantments for boost. As others have allready pointed out, not the same and can't be compared.
Also people seem to forget that the WG is still new and in it's shoes, during the last update of WG the administration mentioned that they reduced the difficulty of the hunt quests, so it's clear that WG is still in a testing phase and more updates will follow. This alone shows that rule 10 needs to be revised into something like this instead: 'All guild errands can be accomplished'. | | @Lawton, this automatic process you describe takes place during an event where a total of participants' attempts battles are created on the fly.That is definitely a finite number that can be computed in a matter of milliseconds with the computing power of o pocket calculator .For WG they filter out the unwon ones and give us for a task, a replica of a battle that was won by players.This calculation is also a matter of a few milliseconds with the technology of the last decade.Very statistically possible computations. You need to be indeed (enter adj of your choice) to not be able to understand it. | At last hunt event most of the records at DE cl 14 was made from the morning of the first day.
During the week of the event there was few that was beaten again till the end of it.
Taking as a fact that only one holds the record and believing that more than one tried for it makes me believe that there is at least one hunt that no one else beat it except this only one player. So yes, there will be some that will seem impossible but not for that just one person. Also during last hunt event candy's and marshmallows was on so some had different stats from usual.
I personally don't play hunts, not showing what creatures are in it make it even worse that's true, but I don't mind since there's other types that I really like.
I like WG, I rarely lose or get less than 3 stars (which I can fix but don't bother), so how much easier should it be? Never lose and always get 3 stars? | | If no one can break a record,doesnt mean that no one can win the battle that granted that record except the record owner.Because for breaking the record you had to fight 25% more creatures.So it is not that only one can win it but only one can be the first to win. | Yep, my bad, I wanted to mean that it was already hard to set and at top hard difficulty all ready and hard to beat it as it is not top it.
My english are not that good sorry if I don't make sense. | | @Lady sofiouta, true if they have taken only the battles that have appeared and have been won during events, like you most people believe this is how it's done for WG even though the administration has never said so. But okay, let's assume this is really the case but then rule 9 becomes untrue. Namely: '9. Errand complexity increases with each new guild level.' Since the battles that appear have allready been won during events then it does not matter what WG level you have since it would not have any effect at all. And yet it clearly mentions that with each level of it the difficulty increases but since all the battles are the finite won battles of the events, it would make them stay the exact same as before whether you are WG 1, WG 4 or whatever WG level. | Namely: '9. Errand complexity increases with each new guild level.'
not much explanation about this line. I realy want to interpret this as follows:
errands stays same but getting 2 or 3 star reward requires better and better efficiency as WG level increase.
if errands HP increase, well, that would eventualy violate some other promise ;) | @Lawton.Lets take the hunt fights for example.At WG lvl5 you have to win the battle were the record was made.At lower levels anything easier.So no9 rule is still valid.
If the programmer of the game says the battles are doable a posteriori, then they are.He designed the algorithm to be so and he is smart enough to know what he is doing.If you are having hard time with your tasks,you better use your time on searching the combat log of players of same cl and watch their try than making weak arguments to support a conspiracy theory. | Let´s get one thing clear, I don´t have a problem with WG, otherwise I wouldn´t be lvl 3 in it now would I? When someone forms any form of criticism here it somehow gets branded as that person does not like anything about it period, causing all kinds of non-sensical remarks as you are weak/bad at it etc. What I do have a problem with is when something appears to be untrue which is misleading. And that is exactly what rule 10 is. Since each level of WG increases each errand there will come a point where the battle has not been won yet before due to the increasement of the AI troops and this will show rule 10 to be untrue.
@Lady sofiouta, you are making assumptions that the records will be at max at WG 5 without any basis for it. Don't go that road and stay factual instead.
Also when you say 'If the programmer of the game says the battles are doable a posteriori, then they are.' without the programmer showing any kind of proof about it, then you are too trusting, and that is exactly what gullible means: 'easily tricked because of being too trusting'.
@Lord selfist, rule 9 clearly sais that the difficulty gets increased and not that the efficiency gets increased. | @Lawton,why has he to show any proof?Do you know any piece of closed source software showing any proof about its functions?You are accusing him for lying,you have to provide
solid proof.You have to provide real clues that support your theory and his motive behind his attempt to trick us.Without clues and motive you have no accusation.
About the records and the guild levels,i have no basis about it except my experience from my tasks at wg0 and 1 and the previous hunt event. I was just showing you that there is a way so #9 rule is still valid, answering more or less to your groundless and false syllogism. The difficulty of the event battles increases with every successful attempt, so there is enough data to divide them in 6 categories according their difficulty.There are only 5(6 with the 0 level) levels of the guild.So the point of an undoable battle will never come.The levels are not infinite. If you have the right to make baseless assumptions, dont criticize others when they reject them the same way. | for Lady sofiouta:
There is no way to convince Lawton. Even if you find a battle link for every "impossible" hunt, he will always come up with more and ask you to "prove" it. It will be an endless argument.
If the conspiracy theory could make him feel better, just leave it. |
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