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Just about to start thieving again at level 8, havent thieved at this level yet, can any1 give me tips on pvp combats, troop setup, positioning etc, can find many demon thieves anymore to reveiw combat logs, any help would be appreciated, im currently using 50 imps, 53 incend, 23 wolf, 8 succ, 6 HH, should i change this?
using min arts btw
Does ANY1 theive as demon ??? | | use min ap to safe your money | | At level 10 with no retal cerberi who move very quick, I can see thieving working. | ok to catch up on this -- nahdont -- i didn't thieve so early as you, but, your troops setup is the strongest at your level - if you can take 7 HH and less suc do so -- positioning will depend on your enemy but i find it best to put all in one corner except for succubi in another corner hell horses in their own corner .. this is so all tropps can gate without getting attacked
i would have 2 stacks of 3 spawns for retal and 2 guaranteed gated retal stacks
i will give a link to show this method at my level..
there's a more offensive setup which is preferable vs wizard, where you wouldn't gate before attacking -- you can imagine the setup for this one
@ DE hard to beat comment -- DE is the easiest to beat for a demon,, from 5-10 at any rate - no ranged damage makes them very demon friendly | https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?lt=-1&warid=21799345
this is what i mean
as for talents, the mathematical best is to put all in the offense wedge -- in the order you should get them -- basic offense, battle fury, adv offence, cold blade, expert offence, ..i haven't got the talent points for more than that :) | Luck is a good option for demons.
On lvl 8 with 25 points, you can either go for advanced offence + battle fury, or basic offence + battle fury + luck.
The second option gives a bit more damage (luck benefits shooters) at the cost of reliability.
At level 9, battle fury + striving speed is also nice. Start in a tight pack, gate first turn and haste most of your army in one go. Inconvenient is you either need some caster arts, or an oblivion pot. | | what about magic demon at lvl 10 ? anyone tried so far ? | umm...
is max incendiaries good? or should i get non-incendiaries recruitment? | | are demons better might or magic for pvp? | thanks moki for the advice
@29 I havent seen a demon pvp magic, but if any1 has any combats id like to see them | Here is a combat where I was half magic, half damage:
https://www.lordswm.com/war.php?warid=489313860
From my point of view, demon is the best support race in 2vs2 or 3vs3 PVP, but in a 1 to 1 PVP, we have 3 major bad points:
1. We luck the power of shooters so we have to attack straight forward
2. We lose the first strike when we gate instead of moving. By the time we get to strike, we have at least one stack down (mostly succubi or wolves ).
3. Our "tanks", demons or incendiaries, have a very low initiative.
As for TheBigFatOne, I prefer spawns against wizards, necro and elfs. For wizard in order to take some of their mana, for necro mostly for the high initiative witch helps you place them on the necros dead stacks, so he can't raise. And against the elfs because they tend to shoot down spawns instead of wolves. And also because incediaries are way to slow for the elfs high initiative troops.
I prefer incendiaries for the other races. | @31 okay.... i got max spawns already.. next is max incendiaries or wolf?
currently im using wolves as my retal taker | I just changed to demon after quiet a long time.
As an elf hunts were super easy for me. But now!!! xD
https://www.lordswm.com/warlog.php?warid=489938233
Just around 180 Ogre Magis! And I got pwned! lmao
Give me some N00b tips for hunting. | Give me some N00b tips for hunting.
In hunts against "low initiative tank units" I use 3 stacks of 4 spawns each, which will gate ending up with 6 stacks of retail takers. In the first round of attack, I use 2 of them to take 2 retails. The 4 remaining stacks are used to block the path of the enemy, so they won't be able to reach my main forces.
You can also use gated succubi as "best target", if you gate them in the middle of the map. This will insure that at least one enemy stack will not attack your main forces. | In my opinion you made a lot of mistakes. I'm only level 9, so I don't know that much about cerberi yet, but my advice can still be useful.
- It's clear that you want to kill the stacks one by one. I wonder why. Even when one stack is weakened a lot and had his attack, you keep on attacking it, while you could have used spray from your cerberi on the other 2 stacks. Personally I like to weaken stacks in the first hits, so it's easier later on. With some luck you can get a fearattack on them, which also saves you some time :).
- I wouldn't split the cerberi. It's easier to hit and run with one stack. Try to avoid being hit on them, even if this means you cannot attack yet. I think you can use them as shrews, when everything else is dead, you finish the job with hit and run. When, doing hit and run, run if you can't do a hit without getting killed in the next 'turn'.
- As for gating and retal: indeed try to have as many small stacks as possible to take retal with. You can also use them to block the enemy so they can't hit your important stacks. You can gate them in a way they are in a good position for later in the game (part of a wall, somewhere to attract enemies, as far away of the action as possible so they don't get killed immediately, ...).
Of course it won't be very easy, since your gatingpercentage is low. But these tips should make it easier. | @34 and 35
Thx, I might just get a hang of demons. | to reveiw combat logs, any help would be appreciated, im currently using 50 imps, 53 incend, 23 wolf, 8 succ, 6 HH, should i change this?
using min arts btw
Does ANY1 theive as demon ??? to reveiw combat logs, any help would be appreciated, im currently using 50 imps, 53 incend, 23 wolf, 8 succ, 6 HH, should i change this?
using min arts btw
Does ANY1 theive as demon ???
demons are good at thiefing too, depends what you encounter of course;) | | is any demon affraid of a specific class ? | @32: at that level i usually maxed wolves first, then either incend or spawn (usually incend though, because i didnt do PvP at that lvl). for hunt, incend is really strong. spawns are there to become retal taker (and increase incend's atk ;p)
@38: not really ;p but elves with high luck and knight with holly build seems very dangerous in my point of view ^^ | | I find elves who play well really difficult to defeat, also Might DE in ambushes, not so much in duels though as they dont have as much room to move shrews |
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