| Author | Discussion: The Rules, Empire, Community, Improperness, Law. |
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Wow, do people really do that? It seems very very very boring.
Well as far as I know, not many if at all more than mere handful. And the example TS presented was based on an 'experiment' of sorts conducted by two players (no names). |
I don't think this idea is the kind of thing cepruyc had in mind when opening the thread. I've therefore opened a thread in Ideas and Suggestions about this.
https://www.lordswm.com/forum_messages.php?tid=1864062
Please use the thread link above to discuss this, and let's keep this topic focused on (other?) unclear rules. |
well, I will post my question as well :)
If there is some unclear rule (as that one about FSP giveaway), why it isn't changed/rephrased as soon as somebody finds holes in it? |
| Because we don't have power to edit game rules, #373 clan page info, nor stickies posted by Empire. |
If there is some unclear rule (as that one about FSP giveaway), why it isn't changed/rephrased as soon as somebody finds holes in it?
We need someone with admin right to make those changes and as far as I know mods do not have the necessary rights to go about rephrasing anything in the official rules. |
Because only admins know game balance and only they can change the rule.
Moderators have a right to settle additional local rules in forum branches.
'FSP giveaway' - is regarding to game balance. |
It's really nice to see a constructive discussion like this. :)
I have a few questions or cases want to ask/discuss. I am sorry if they are too "bordering".
Are we able to set "addtional rules" for combat or card games?
Example 1: AP limit. We always see "min AP only", "full arts" or "40% enchanting only". those are addtional rules most players accept, and we think it's legal.
Example 2: Are we allowed to carry much less than full army to duel or group battle? If two players or a group players agree to have a duel or group battle with only tire 1 or tire 2 creature (no matter what combat lvl you are ), is it legal? You may think it's a staged combat or all players are going to lose on purpose since they are with much less than full army, specially for high lvl players, but overall it's even, and I think it's fun personally. :)
Example 3: If two or more players agree to play with melee attack only, even shoters have to do move forward and do melee attack. It's similar as example 2, and it's fun too. But is it legal?
Example 4: In card game, two players agree to play construction card only, they don't play any destory card. If all of their cards in hand are destory cards, they have to throw them away, even if they have enough resources to play them. It may looks like losing on purpose, sepcially one player always throw away destory cards in 1 particular game. But the turth is he is just in bad luck, and get much less contruction cards than the other player. Is this also consider lose on purpose. To me, it's similar like min-AP combat.
Sorry if I asked too much, and sorry for my bad English. :p |
In card game, two players agree to play construction card only
If you are talking about game with 0 bet, I dont see a problem. Maybe I am too concerned about gold(as always), but I would see it as something shifty if 2000 gold was in stake. |
for Kusika:
'FSP giveaway' - is regarding to game balance.
And is something I've been told by reliable source is against rules in Russian server. The same admins run that game as well and therefore what is considered 'giveaway' there is considered the same here. Or are you suggesting now that admins do not indeed know game balance?
for binghuo:
Example 1: AP limit. We always see "min AP only", "full arts" or "40% enchanting only". those are addtional rules most players accept, and we think it's legal.
This has quite clearly been mentioned in CaA local rules that it is NOT against rules to not follow such requests as stated by the following:
7. Combat description is just a request not obligation. And thus transgressing the combat description is not a violation of game rules.
Example 2: Are we allowed to carry much less than full army to duel or group battle?
Yes as long as they do not actually stage the battles. Also it is not an absolute rule and caution should be taken to ensure it's within limits. For example, if two level 10s battle together and one takes in only tier1/2 and the other takes a full army to a duel then it can be considered a staged or giveaway battle and might be punished. |
Example 3: If two or more players agree to play with melee attack only, even shoters have to do move forward and do melee attack. It's similar as example 2, and it's fun too.
=> I tend to say NO. It would too much look like a staged combat, especially since both sides may not be equal in regard to ranged attackers. It might be acceptable for no-melee penalty units like Monks or Bandits to use their melee attacks though. But don't expect a battle where Elven Bowmen charge on foot NOT to look staged!!
A better solution would be not to recruit any ranged troop in ones' army.
Example 4: In card game, two players agree to play construction card only, they don't play any destroy card.
=> Fine to me. |
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Imo, if there was an agreement stated via their in-game battlechat that the rules of engagement is pure melee, and that both players played to the best of their abilities, would you consider it staged? I personally won't, but will common player voices like mine be taken into consideration? |
for Zyanya
Don't paraphrase my words as you want. The balance is different regarding .ru server. |
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The balance is different regarding .ru server.
Explain how please. |
for Kotrin:
So if 2 same level players fight in a duel and 1 player, say player A, fights with only tier 1 units(or even just 1 unit like in ambush) on purpose while the other player, player B, fights with full army, and during the duel both of them fight to the best of their ability. Then according to what you say, that isn't a staged fight/giveaway combat, since player A can argue that he's just giving himself a good challenge by being ill-prepared? |
| ^Sorry, i made a mistake, forgot you can't duel with 1 unit :) |
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for Kotrin:
I think you misunderstood ExDeath's point (or I did :/). He wasn't saying such fights are not staged, in fact just the opposite. Either that, or I misunderstood what you said. |
Zyanya is right.
You may enter a battle ill-prepared, it's okay.
I'm trying to say that this is not ok(at least not always), you cannot always separate army selection and game play, "trying your best" in gameplay alone is not enough to say that a battle isn't staged or a giveaway. |
Since my two previous posts were just adding confusion, I removed them.
Let's say that deciding if a battle is staged or not is decided on a per-case basis, and can't be told from a list of conditions trying to cover every possible situation. |
