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Cheating characteristically is employed to create an unfair advantage, usually in one's own interest, and often at the expense of others.
How is wild_shooter's advantage unfair, and how is it at the expense of others?
for Robai:
You're offering money for people to invite you on hunts. It's your way to improve your faction skill without gaining xp. Wild_shooter is doing the same thing on his own(because he can't assist on hunts - few lvl2 chars have HG2, no?) Sow how are his actions cheating, and your's are not? Considering that you lose most of your solo hunts. I don't see you asking for assistance, rather you go, and lose on your own. Repeatedly. But thats cool because then you assist some player, and voila - you have more victories than loses. So you're not a loser. That right?
for everyone:
It's like Erlemar says, and the admins have stated it - wisard faction is for those who are either rich or very patient. wild_shooter is patient - gratz to him. | I already told that cheater is not a proper word, haven't you read that?
Considering that you lose most of your solo hunts. I don't see you asking for assistance, rather you go, and lose on your own. Repeatedly.
I lose vs really big army of monsters that nobody else killed (just look closely at the number of monsters). And compare my lost battles vs wild_shooter's lost battles. You see no difference?
Yes, I'm losing most solo battles now, but despite that I have won much more solo battles than I have lost (I have won about 600 solo hunts and I have lost only 293 battles including all types of battles, not just hunts and not just solo, and including battles when I've helped AKF). So, what is your point?
Yes, assists is a good way to increase number of battles won. So?
It is really hard to find hunts to assist (I can't click mouse button whole day). So I'm offering gold. Ex, Specter sucked my gold as much as he can (check my transfer log).
Shebali, tell me, why you win battles?
You Knight now. Knights is one of the strongest faction at high combat level, but if they want to be a true TANK they must have very high faction skill. So, why you don't lose battles? Don't want to be a loser? :)
If you don't want to be a loser then why you are so much proud of biggest level 2 loser?
This is a STRATEGY game. Players, who uses very good combat tactics should be congratulated. Players, who have patient also should be congratulated (yes, including wild_shooter). But players, who lose EASY battles (intentionally or not) shouldn't be congratulated (including wild_shooter).
High faction level wizard can win battles without any strategy at all, no brains needed, because faction level does the job, not your tactics. For that they shouldn't be congratulated.
I'm sorry, but I will repeat paradoxes in this game again:
1) The more battle experience you get the more weak you become!
2) The more battles you lose the more powerful you become!
3) And if you lose most battles intentionally you get congratulations!
4) Only players who hunt only the weakest monsters are the most powerful hunters!
It means that this game have to be improved. | I already told that cheater is not a proper word, haven't you read that? You said that he's a cheater in your opinion, though not an "official" one.
I lose vs really big army of monsters that nobody else killed
Exactly. If you _know_ that you're going to lose why don't you call for help? How is intentionally losing to small army different from going into battle with a big one knowing fully well that you can't win?
Yes, I'm losing most solo battles now, but despite that I have won much more solo battles than I have lost So, basically, as long as you have more victories than loses it doesn't matter that you lose on purpose?
Yes, assists is a good way to increase number of battles won. So?
So, wild_shooter _can't_ assist to increase the number of his wins. How many lvl 2 chars do you see asking for help in hunt?
So, why you don't lose battles? Don't want to be a loser? :)
If you check my log you'll see that I've been losing quite a few of my red hunts recently. That's because I switched to knight recently and have low faction skill. So I enter those hunts, get my .3 skill points and lose. But I don't mind, because that brings me closer to future victories(because right now as a knight I'm pretty powerless)
The paradoxes you mention are part of the game. These aren't bugs. They are here by design.
1) The more battle experience you get the more weak you become! You only become weaker if you don't balance your skill/xp gaining.
2) The more battles you lose the more powerful you become!
Indeed, you gain skill points even if you lose. There was a time on .ru when a player got nothing when losing a battle. Think it would be batter to switch to that system?
3) And if you lose most battles intentionally you get congratulations!
Hello-o? Is there anyone in this thread who commended wild_shooter for losing? Correct me if I'm wrong but people seem to be congratulating him for his patience. What's wrong with that?
4) Only players who hunt only the weakest monsters are the most powerful hunters! Wrong. If a powerfull hunter is a hunter who fights (and kills) most powerful monsters, well, you can't become that throug losing, because the number and kind of monsters that show up on your map depend on the number of monsters you've killed before and your HG.
You're mixing stategy and tactics. Knowing how to place your troops on the battlefield is tactics. Knowing how to improve your char so that you'd be more powerfull in the future is strategy. This game is about both.
this game have to be improved.
Very true. This is something we can agree on. | If you _know_ that you're going to lose why don't you call for help? How is intentionally losing to small army different from going into battle with a big one knowing fully well that you can't win?
If I would know that I will lose for sure I would never go into such hunt. I only hunt if there is at least small chance of winning.
And there is a very BIG difference (at least for me) whether I lose EASY battle or very hard or even impossible battle!
I don't call for help because there is only personal records (there is only universal team-hunt records, not specific level records). Long time ago I already asked to include also team-hunt records for each level, but it was ignored.
Check my combat log (last combat). I have finally killed 57 Senior genies! And this number is almost twice bigger than in second place (33)! That’s the pleasure!
And don't tell me that I can't win! | You got 57 Senior genies - my congratulations. Truly you're a great hunter. Now people have one more reason to call elves cheaters ;)
And don't tell me that I can't win! Well, what sort of conclusion I should've come to after seing a combat log like this:
09-18-08 23:29: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
09-17-08 02:54: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
09-15-08 16:12: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
09-15-08 12:09: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
09-13-08 19:51: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
08-25-08 21:52: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
One thing I can say though, you're no less patient then wild_shooter.
You agree with everything else I said then? Since you've only comented one of my statements... | Look at the records for Rogues:
Aranaks [7] - 275
Sg_Necromancer [7] - 243
Yangguo [7] - 239
Peadon [7] - 216
Veldrin [7] - 214
Robai [6] - 168
Specter [6] - 163
UnderDog [6] - 163
nickvell [6] - 163
Yangguo [6] - 153
So, if I would kill 218 Rogues then I would be even as good as the best level 7 hunters (killing Rogues)!
So, being level 6 and trying to win (and I mean that) vs 218 Rogues is not a shame at all.
When I will kill 218 Rogues then I will let you know. And then you will think of something again, for example you will copy and paste my many lost battles vs 848 Skeletal Bowmen, vs 206 Mercenary warriors, etc.
But you should also copy and paste my best victories, which I have won in the FIRST ATTEMPT (just check it):
08-17-08 09:11: Robai[6] vs Shrews (172)
(122 is in 2nd place, 172-218 is in 7th level)
09-10-08 12:45: Robai[6] vs Crossbowmen (272)
(241 is in 2nd place, 313-323 is in 7th level)
08-21-08 23:04: Robai[6] vs Genies (77)
(59 is in 2nd place, 59-130 is in 7th level)
08-22-08 19:30: Robai[6] vs Rocs (65)
(50 is in 2nd place, 65-84 is in 7th level)
08-11-08 06:54: Robai[6] vs Lizard cavalry (131)
(111 is in 2nd place, 147-171 is in 7th level)
09-02-08 22:16: Robai[6] vs Modern golems (367)
(217 is in 2nd place, 217-518 is in 7th level)
08-24-08 16:39: Robai[6] vs Wolf Raiders (407)
(313 is in 2nd place, 407-409 is in 7th level)
Wow, I can't believe it myself. | Hmm....if wild_shooter had chosen other factions instead, his troops would be the one that's dealing devastating damage. :)
1. Knights - I wonder how many extra troops his training chambers would provide
2. Demons - An additional 100% boost from original army via gating?
3. Elves - Critical Damage every so often
i think the effects would be negligible for DE and little for Necro though. Any other players around who has taken on another faction whilst using the same ultra patient playing style? :P
I'm just curious how it'll turn out lols~ :D | for Robai:
I didn't check your combat log all the way to the first page. Why should've I?
I posted your battles vs rogues to illustrate my point that you seem to be entering fights you're doomed to lose. If you manage to beat then eventually, well, good for you I guess.
I already congratulated you on being a great hunter, but if you feel offended by me because I pointed at your loses, my apologies.
Funny how this topic turned fron congratulating a 2nd lvl wisard to congratulating a 6lvl elf... | | guys this was a simple congrats thread now it has become a robia vs shebali thread any ways i think wild shooter has a lot of patients and time | 25, 26
As promised, I've killed those Rogues:
09-21-08 00:00: Robai[6] vs Rogues (218)
(163 is in 2nd place, 214-275 is in 7th level)
(sorry of this "off topic") | 30
Gratz.
At least you moved from bashing wild_shooter... Then my work here is done. | And I just killed 17 Giants in the FIRST ATTEMPT:
09-21-08 16:43: Robai[6] vs Giants (17)
(13 is in 2nd place, 17-28 is in 7th level)
This record will not last very long (because of damn Wizards), but for Elf it is really an achievement, because this is also a record (5th place) in ALL Elf levels:
http://www.heroeswm.com/plstats_hunters.php?level=0&race=4
I promise, this was the last my "off topic".
Back to topic:
nobody denied Theorem 1 :) | | Theorem 1 :) that's semantics. Tecnicaly, anyone that has lost at least once can be called a loser. And it's off topic. | Theorem 1 is straight to topic!
Tecnicaly, anyone that has lost at least once can be called a loser
True, but this doesn't deny Theorem 1 in any way.
Technically (using some unnatural method) you can call him also a winner.
So, using various techniques we can make any result you want, which will make all propositions meaningless.
Instead, let's use something natural, for example Definition 1 and Definition 2. If you don't agree with those definitions then give me more natural definitions, with which most players would agree (and don't play semantically, because this way you will prove nothing).
Listen again what Belerafon said (post 15). I completely agree with him. :) | when next tournament starts, the so call "biggest loser" will win the champ for sure, and probably champ in two levels. think how much the reward gold and diamond there will be. and after level 3, hunting will be 1 hour apart, and he probably would not need to lose any more, then he will rule the hunting record, and start finishing MG quest at level 3.
a slow start is the best start. | You mean that he will be a potential winner in the future?
Maybe, who knows, we can't deny it, but:
1) maybe this game will be changed and many new features will be added so that only new players will be most powerful;
2) maybe there will be no tournaments at all;
3) maybe players, who buy diamonds, will be even more powerful in the future;
4) the number of won battles doesn't increase very fast;
5) tournaments are very expensive - it will cost a huge amount of experience, so I doubt that he will participate there at all;
6) yes, he can make several best hunt records, but again, if he will decide to hunt then he will be killed by experience and again, I doubt that he will go to hunt, at least it will not be soon;
7) in the future he might meet even much more powerful opponent, we don't know that;
8) this game might be closed by some reasons and the dream of winning may never come at all;
9) and he might decide to leave this game and again, the winner will be still just a dream.
This doesn't change the fact, which is now, in the present time (theorem 1). | Live and let live people,
This is a game and can be played any way you wish.
But please don't put down people who donate to the game.
If no one donates how do you expect admin to be able to afford the updates to make this game more interesting to play?? | lol whats your problem robai >.>
because you cant beat him hes a cheater, a bug user and a loser?
LOOOOOOOLLLl
anyways, congrats to Wild_Shooter, i dont have the time and patience to do that
but it is a very good strategy!! | | wow, he will win lv3 tournaments for sure............. | for aRU:
if he has join. |
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